Hello, Everyone. I think resemblances between living people are very interesting, but I also think that the only way to tell if there is a real "blood" relationship is through genetic information. In other words, if you don't have exactly matching - or almost matching - Y-chromosome DNA markers, then the relationship is co-incidence. David Arne Sisson larry sisson wrote: > Hi All, > The reasoning I have for my belief that Richard probably came > from northern England is kind of strange. I have seen pictures from three Sisson families that seem to me to look enough like my immediate family that they could pass for my father, myself, my brother, and my first cousin Dean. > There is Edward Allan Sisson and his brother Charles Hamilton > Sisson that are 9th generation descendants of Richard and Mary > that descended from Richard's son James. My line runs from Richard and Mary's son George. I am 11 generations from Richard. > There is a Michael Henry Sisson, who was born in Westmorland, England and immigrated to Ontario, Canada. He looks very similar to my dad. His line according to a family tree on > ancestry is, James, James, and Richard.They were all from > Westmorland, England Michael was born in 1813. Several of > their line ended up in Ontario, Canada. > There is Edward Octavius Sisson, that was a grandson of > William Sisson and Ann White. William was from Northumberland, > England and was born abt. 1791. Edward was born in Durham County, England. Edward's features are very similar to myself, my brother Jerry, and my first cousin Dean Sisson. > and my first cousin Dean. > We know that the one family of Edward Allan Sisson and Charles Hamilton Sisson is descended thru our Richard from > New England. > Michael Henry Sisson's line runs to a Richard Sisson at > Westmorland County, England about the year 1740. > Edward Octavius Sisson was from Durham County, England and is traced back thru his father George to his grandparent's > William Sisson born about 1791 in Northumberland County, > England. > These all look so much like my family that it is hard for me to believe that there are this many generations that separate us. > It is even harder for me to imagine that I am not related somewhere > to Michael Henry Sisson and Edward Octavius Sisson. It is even > harder for me to believe that we are not related after seeing the > pictures of Edward Allan Sisson and Charles Hamilton Sisson who > are related although very very distant. > I am not sure if this is a good reason for my thinking or not, but that > is it in a nutshell. I have seen pictures of several decendants of Richard and Mary that do not look like our family at all. My reasoning on this is that they favor a maternal line at least to some degree. > Larry L. Sisson > > > > > > David Rorer <drorer@fuse.net> wrote: > In my researches on the origin of the name Sisson(s) most of those who bore > these names in 1899 were in northern England, Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire, > Cumbria etc. Very few were in southern England. Using the assumption that a > surname would most likely be found clustered around its place of origin, it > would seem that Sisson(s) came from these areas. > We have one DNA match to this area, which serves to reinforce this theory - > which I must emphasize is just a theory though there is plenty of circumstantial > evidence. > As to the exact origin of the name Sisson(s) it probably was adopted from a > place name which in turn was derived from the name of a Scandinavian (Danish) > settler i.e. from his farm or home stead. > The variation with the final "s" appears to be shorthand for "son of Sisson" a > variation usually found in Welsh names. i.e. Wills and Wilson both mean son of > William and Sissonson would be an awkward construct hence the final "son" > shortened to just "s". > I have basically finished the research on this topic, but broke off working on > it early this year to finish my long promised book on the Clan Macnab and > associated families. That is approaching a point where I have to pronounce "good > enough for now" or it will never be finished - recently came upon a plethora of > good sources which would take years to sort through and add to the aggregate. > Hope to return to the Sisson surname in the New Year. It has grown to at least > six chapters with charts, maps and capacious sources and will be available to > all who are interested on a cd. I will make a printed copy available for perusal > at the next gathering. > > David Rorer > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sisson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sisson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of larry sisson >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:55 AM >> To: Sisson >> Subject: [SISSON] Towns of Massachusetts and Rhode Island >> >> I have thought for the last 3 or 4 years that Richard's line probably >> came from the northern counties of England, Northumberland, >> Durham, or possibly even somewhere in South Scotland. >> I was looking at some of the towns in England and the towns >> with the same names in Massachusetts and Rhode Island. >> It appears that many of the colonist came from the southern >> part of England near the English Channel or from the South >> Wales area near the Bristol Channel , as there are many names of towns and >> villages that were named the same in New England. >> Some of the towns that were in these areas of England and also in Rhode >> Island, or Massachusetts are: >> Plymouth, Dartmouth, Falmouth, Newport, Bristol, Yarmouth, >> Swansea, Tauton, Barnstable, Tiverton, Weymouth and Exeter. I am sure that >> there are probably more that I missed, but this amounts to several towns in a >> small area of England. It might just mean that these towns were near the ports >> where they sailed from >> and thus were some of the last towns that they were in, but >> it is interesting. >> There are probably about the same amount of towns that were >> renamed in these areas from the rest of England, but these few >> are from about 100 miles or less from each other. It would appear >> to me that the majority of the new settlers probably came from >> this area of England. That does not help in our quest to find >> where Richard was from, it appears that it is going to take a >> DNA test that will hopefully narrow this down. >> Anyone have any thoughts about this. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SISSON- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SISSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Everyone, David, I don't disagree with that, at this time, there is no connection to 2 of the lines that I mentioned. The one line thru James, brother of George is a connection, although several generations removed. It is that one line that is re- moved by several generations, that gives me hope that these other lines are connected also. Everything is speculation at this time. I must agree that the line of Richard and Mary Atkinson is looking better all the time, yet it is also speculation at this time. The thing that I like about the Sisson List and the Sisson Website is that they realize this and do not automatically write in someone just to fill empty holes. We see this all the time , especially on the internet. On one of my non Sisson lines, there are people that are filling in names with no proof, and it is all over the internet that a certain person is the father of one of my gg-grandfathers and there is no proof whatsoever. There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence, but no written records. Even then, we have found several written records, where one says a person was born in England and another one where they were born in the US. DNA would either connect the lines or maybe not connect them, but even then, we would still have no proof for sure where someone was born. Hopefully one of these days we can get more Sisson's and Sissons from England and Canada to participate in the Sisson DNA project. Who knows, with all the new records that are becoming more available across the world due to the internet, someone may find a written record that fits with what we already know to be true. I didn't intend to stir up a hornet's nest or anything, I am just getting some discussion going prior to the next Sisson Gathering at Springfield, Illinois in June. By the way, I believe that I have found another unconnected line of Sisson's/ Sissons that is not in our database.It appears to start in England, possibly the Sheffield area to Oregon and then to Scott County, Illinois. It appears to be somewhat of a complicated line, but traceable for around 70 years so far. I will be sending that info to Carol. If anyone is interested, let me know and I will email it to whoever has an interest. Larry L. Sisson David A Sisson <dsisson2@rochester.rr.com> wrote: Hello, Everyone. I think resemblances between living people are very interesting, but I also think that the only way to tell if there is a real "blood" relationship is through genetic information. In other words, if you don't have exactly matching - or almost matching - Y-chromosome DNA markers, then the relationship is co-incidence. David Arne Sisson larry sisson wrote: > Hi All, > The reasoning I have for my belief that Richard probably came > from northern England is kind of strange. I have seen pictures from three Sisson families that seem to me to look enough like my immediate family that they could pass for my father, myself, my brother, and my first cousin Dean. > There is Edward Allan Sisson and his brother Charles Hamilton > Sisson that are 9th generation descendants of Richard and Mary > that descended from Richard's son James. My line runs from Richard and Mary's son George. I am 11 generations from Richard. > There is a Michael Henry Sisson, who was born in Westmorland, England and immigrated to Ontario, Canada. He looks very similar to my dad. His line according to a family tree on > ancestry is, James, James, and Richard.They were all from > Westmorland, England Michael was born in 1813. Several of > their line ended up in Ontario, Canada. > There is Edward Octavius Sisson, that was a grandson of > William Sisson and Ann White. William was from Northumberland, > England and was born abt. 1791. Edward was born in Durham County, England. Edward's features are very similar to myself, my brother Jerry, and my first cousin Dean Sisson. > and my first cousin Dean. > We know that the one family of Edward Allan Sisson and Charles Hamilton Sisson is descended thru our Richard from > New England. > Michael Henry Sisson's line runs to a Richard Sisson at > Westmorland County, England about the year 1740. > Edward Octavius Sisson was from Durham County, England and is traced back thru his father George to his grandparent's > William Sisson born about 1791 in Northumberland County, > England. > These all look so much like my family that it is hard for me to believe that there are this many generations that separate us. > It is even harder for me to imagine that I am not related somewhere > to Michael Henry Sisson and Edward Octavius Sisson. It is even > harder for me to believe that we are not related after seeing the > pictures of Edward Allan Sisson and Charles Hamilton Sisson who > are related although very very distant. > I am not sure if this is a good reason for my thinking or not, but that > is it in a nutshell. I have seen pictures of several decendants of Richard and Mary that do not look like our family at all. My reasoning on this is that they favor a maternal line at least to some degree. > Larry L. Sisson > > > > > > David Rorer wrote: > In my researches on the origin of the name Sisson(s) most of those who bore > these names in 1899 were in northern England, Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire, > Cumbria etc. Very few were in southern England. Using the assumption that a > surname would most likely be found clustered around its place of origin, it > would seem that Sisson(s) came from these areas. > We have one DNA match to this area, which serves to reinforce this theory - > which I must emphasize is just a theory though there is plenty of circumstantial > evidence. > As to the exact origin of the name Sisson(s) it probably was adopted from a > place name which in turn was derived from the name of a Scandinavian (Danish) > settler i.e. from his farm or home stead. > The variation with the final "s" appears to be shorthand for "son of Sisson" a > variation usually found in Welsh names. i.e. Wills and Wilson both mean son of > William and Sissonson would be an awkward construct hence the final "son" > shortened to just "s". > I have basically finished the research on this topic, but broke off working on > it early this year to finish my long promised book on the Clan Macnab and > associated families. That is approaching a point where I have to pronounce "good > enough for now" or it will never be finished - recently came upon a plethora of > good sources which would take years to sort through and add to the aggregate. > Hope to return to the Sisson surname in the New Year. It has grown to at least > six chapters with charts, maps and capacious sources and will be available to > all who are interested on a cd. I will make a printed copy available for perusal > at the next gathering. > > David Rorer > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sisson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sisson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of larry sisson >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:55 AM >> To: Sisson >> Subject: [SISSON] Towns of Massachusetts and Rhode Island >> >> I have thought for the last 3 or 4 years that Richard's line probably >> came from the northern counties of England, Northumberland, >> Durham, or possibly even somewhere in South Scotland. >> I was looking at some of the towns in England and the towns >> with the same names in Massachusetts and Rhode Island. >> It appears that many of the colonist came from the southern >> part of England near the English Channel or from the South >> Wales area near the Bristol Channel , as there are many names of towns and >> villages that were named the same in New England. >> Some of the towns that were in these areas of England and also in Rhode >> Island, or Massachusetts are: >> Plymouth, Dartmouth, Falmouth, Newport, Bristol, Yarmouth, >> Swansea, Tauton, Barnstable, Tiverton, Weymouth and Exeter. I am sure that >> there are probably more that I missed, but this amounts to several towns in a >> small area of England. It might just mean that these towns were near the ports >> where they sailed from >> and thus were some of the last towns that they were in, but >> it is interesting. >> There are probably about the same amount of towns that were >> renamed in these areas from the rest of England, but these few >> are from about 100 miles or less from each other. It would appear >> to me that the majority of the new settlers probably came from >> this area of England. That does not help in our quest to find >> where Richard was from, it appears that it is going to take a >> DNA test that will hopefully narrow this down. >> Anyone have any thoughts about this. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SISSON- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SISSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >