Judi, I think you are the Judi that I have corresponded with before. Just read you posting of 10/10/99 in response to Sheryl Rutledge and was interested in all the info! Here are a few thoughts I had as I studied it . ( My father, Cornwell Shuman, my sister Peggy Treece, and I have been working on this line a long time. We are descended from James W. Shuman and his 2nd wife, Margaret Steeof and their son James Jacob. We think James W. and William H. Shuman were both sons of Jacob, 1790-1843.) >From various sources (census records, death notice, Bible) we thought James Jacob was b Nov. 1857 and his mother Margaret d June 1860. If so, she could not have been the mother of Brenone (Benne V. or Beena or Buna, as Cornwell interpreted the census) who was b about 1863 and is listed in the 1880 census as Jane Shuman's dau age 18. Charles "Dan" Bowen sent a list of Gus and Lizzy's children with dates. He must be a gr-uncle to Sheryl. Also have corresponded with Susie Wiggins who is Archie Albert Shuman's g.dau., I think. Do you know who Lizzie Beaty Shuman's parents were? And are you sure the William H. Shuman you mentioned really came from Germany in 1860? The dates agree with the Wm. H. with Margaret in the 1860 census, living with or adjacent to Wm.C.Beaty, probably her father. The dates also agree with the William Shuman, age 12, living with Catherina Shuman in the 1850 census adjacent to W.C.Beaty. The Bill Shuman who raised Lizzy might have been this Wm. H. Shuman, who was called "Billy' according to a descendant. Wm.C.Beaty had a Thomas, age 10, (son or g.son?) with him in the 1860 census, who might have been the Tom who also raised Lizzy. Anxiously awaiting your replies. Ann Shuman Burdette <asburdette@juno.com> ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.