Ann, I'm so glad we're getting together via email. What a wonderful world we morals can make with all the technology we now have available to us. A copy of the marriage Certificate between James W. Shuman and Miss Margaret Steoof(which makes me wonder if this last name could be Steuffer and not spelled properly?) that I have states they were married January 1, 1857. This is why I've guestion the birth date of your GGrandfather, James Jacob (my grandfather, Charles Augustus' half brother). It would be so very difficult for Margaret to have had a baby and get married on the same day!! This is why I believe James Jacob was born January 1, 1858. Do you have a copy of this marriage certificate as I do? After Margaret's death, he then married my GGrandmother, Miss Jane Stauffer on May 13, 1863. You did say that James Jacob was orphaned very early in life and late adopted after his father, James W. passed away. The only children I've been able to come up with for James W. Shuman is as follows: Catherine (b) 1851 - mother Martha Beaty - married to James W. April 11, 1850 James Jacob - (who married your grandmother Miss Isabell Northey) - mother Margaret Steoff on 1-1-1857 Brenone (b) 1863 - mother Jane Stauffer (I was incorrect stating her mother was Martha Beaty in my previous message) Charles Augustus - (b) 4-30-1865 - mother Janes Stauffer - married Margaret Elizabeth Beaty John (b) 1866 - mother - Jane Stauffer A question for you is whether James' first wife Martha Beaty and Charles Augustus' wife Lizzy were related? I know nothing about my grandmother, Margaret Elizabeth Beaty. No, I'm not certain that the William H. Shuman I mentioned, is the same William that is listed on the passenger list of 1860. It would not be the same person since your census has a William H. Shuman for 1850 and 1860 unless he did a great deal of travelling!! Unlikely, right? I do not know anything about William C. Beaty. You think that this WC Beaty is Lizzy's father? You mentioned a census of 1860 that listed WC Beaty and Tom Age 10. Do you have a census of 1870, and if so, does it have Lizzy mention? She would have been age 6 for the 1870 census. Or, even a census of 1880 making her age 16. Lizzy didn't get married to CA Shuman until 1885. Dan Bowen and Sheryl are related to Minnie Shuman Bowen - daughter of CA and Lizzy Shuman- and my daddy was their youngest child, Lee Washington Shuman. Please let me hear more from you on that records you have and what they are! I must get a scanner so you can scan some of these valuable papers to me. Looking forward to hearing from you and your sister, Peggy. Take care and do let me hear from you. Judi -----Original Message----- From: asburdette@juno.com <asburdette@juno.com> To: tara13@gateway.net <tara13@gateway.net> Cc: Sheryl.Rutledge@thehartford.com <Sheryl.Rutledge@thehartford.com>; SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re:Shuman Genealogy >Judi, > > I think you are the Judi that I have corresponded with before. Just >read you posting of 10/10/99 in response to Sheryl Rutledge and was >interested in all the info! Here are a few thoughts I had as I studied >it . ( My father, Cornwell Shuman, my sister Peggy Treece, and I have >been working on this line a long time. We are descended from James W. >Shuman and his 2nd wife, Margaret Steeof and their son James Jacob. We >think James W. and William H. Shuman were both sons of Jacob, 1790-1843.) > >>From various sources (census records, death notice, Bible) we thought >James Jacob was b Nov. 1857 and his mother Margaret d June 1860. If so, >she could not have been the mother of Brenone (Benne V. or Beena or Buna, >as Cornwell interpreted the census) who was b about 1863 and is listed in >the 1880 census as Jane Shuman's dau age 18. > >Charles "Dan" Bowen sent a list of Gus and Lizzy's children with dates. >He must be a gr-uncle to Sheryl. Also have corresponded with Susie >Wiggins who is Archie Albert Shuman's g.dau., I think. > >Do you know who Lizzie Beaty Shuman's parents were? And are you sure the >William H. Shuman you mentioned really came from Germany in 1860? The >dates agree with the Wm. H. with Margaret in the 1860 census, living with >or adjacent to Wm.C.Beaty, probably her father. The dates also agree >with the William Shuman, age 12, living with Catherina Shuman in the 1850 >census adjacent to W.C.Beaty. > > The Bill Shuman who raised Lizzy might have been this Wm. H. Shuman, >who was called "Billy' according to a descendant. Wm.C.Beaty had a >Thomas, age 10, (son or g.son?) with him in the 1860 census, who might >have been the Tom who also raised Lizzy. > >Anxiously awaiting your replies. Ann Shuman Burdette ><asburdette@juno.com> > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >