The message below was for a researcher named Randy, not you...he comes in through Martin's son James...you come in through James' brother, William...he died about 1807. I will contact you privately concerning your line as I have a picture of your g/g/g/grandmother. Carolyn Jarrard At 01:59 PM 09/13/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Caroline, > Your message is very confusing to me. Am not sure you are talking to >whom you think you aree. My Shuman ancestor was my g/g/g/grandmother >Elizabeth Shuman b. sep 15 1804, d. oct 15 1885 Bryan co.. Married Reuben >English b. mar 10 1797, d. mar 10 1884 Bryan co. I am trying to verify her >parents. >---------- >>From: Carl Jarrard <cjarrard@earthlink.net> >>To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [SHUMAN] our ?Shumans >>Date: DecSun, Sep 412, 19991996, 4:11 PM >> > >> >>Randy, >>Please understand, I will not doubt what you sent me as I want >>a good and true lineage....but >>There has been a lot of confusion concerning your line. >>There were 3 Shuman brothers, that married 3 Stanley sisters. >>One was William David, one Francis Bartow and one Henry Joshua. >>They show up in Tattnall co. on 1870 census. >>So, these boys must show up together on a census as a family somewhere. >>I have seen the funeral certificate of Francis Bartow and it >>gives his birth father as Henry and mother as Pharabee Sapp. >>Well, if you go to Bryan county, Ga. census you will find a >>William Henry Married to Pharabee, and you will find a Francis >>Bartow, a Henry J. a John H. but no William David. >>The confusion comes in here: >>I descend from Francis Bartow Shuman...born same year (give or take >>a year) as the other from Tattanall co....He has a brother Henry J. >>and a John H. His father is William Henry and his mother is Pharabee. >>They are two different Francis Bartows as one is buried in Vidalia >>ga., and the other in Bryan co....both died 1917-1918..... >>Francis Bartow is my gt. grandfather and my mother still remembered him >>as he died when she was 14 years old. He is located on the census of >>Bryan co. living next door to the William Henry and Pharabee that have >>the seven children and who I think your line links into.....the other >>Francis Bartow is in Tattnall co. >> >>2.does your relative have a document that shows Henry Joshua born in >>Germany? >>3.Also, on the 1900 census, Old William Henry that married Pharabee, >>married again in 1898 he he shows up having been married for 2 years, >>but shows only having been married twice....ruling out a third marriage >>if he was indeed the one that married Susannah Haymans. >>4. The JOhn H. that was brother to my Francis Bartwo, was JOhn Harrison >>and I have his family documented. >>5.I am interested in Martha Key being possibly Cherokee Indian. Was it >>family tradition that this is based on? >>6.Is there a family Bible or something that shows Susannah Hayman died >>at 18?...just wondering. >>7.I have never seen James' name other than a T. for Thomas...as is on >>his estate records in Effingham co. >> >>I do believe your relative is correct about William that married Susannah >>being your ancestor....but I think we are mixing up the two families some- >>how.....did he go back and live in S.C. and that is why his first children >>were born there? I know James lived in Effingham when William was born and >>that I have the plat of the place even showing where the house was located >>so, I was wondering why William went to S.C. to have the children. >> >>I have put together a book 500 pages on our family....I could not tie your >>part in at the time so I made a supplement on them and the Stanleys. >>I would love nothing more than to straighten out any part that is incorrect >>in that book. >>Since it was published, it has doubled (in my data base) in size. >>I am so glad someone else is seriously researching that part of the family. >>Hope to hear from you soon. >>Carolyn >> >> >>==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== >> ----------------- >> This is a discussion area for anyone >> who has an interest in SHUMAN genealogy or history >> You can also >> visit the SHUMAN Web Site at >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/welcome.html >> ----------------- >> >> > > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is a discussion area for anyone > who has an interest in SHUMAN genealogy or history > You can also > visit the SHUMAN Web Site at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/welcome.html > ----------------- > > >