Caroline, Your message is very confusing to me. Am not sure you are talking to whom you think you aree. My Shuman ancestor was my g/g/g/grandmother Elizabeth Shuman b. sep 15 1804, d. oct 15 1885 Bryan co.. Married Reuben English b. mar 10 1797, d. mar 10 1884 Bryan co. I am trying to verify her parents. ---------- >From: Carl Jarrard <cjarrard@earthlink.net> >To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SHUMAN] our ?Shumans >Date: DecSun, Sep 412, 19991996, 4:11 PM > > >Randy, >Please understand, I will not doubt what you sent me as I want >a good and true lineage....but >There has been a lot of confusion concerning your line. >There were 3 Shuman brothers, that married 3 Stanley sisters. >One was William David, one Francis Bartow and one Henry Joshua. >They show up in Tattnall co. on 1870 census. >So, these boys must show up together on a census as a family somewhere. >I have seen the funeral certificate of Francis Bartow and it >gives his birth father as Henry and mother as Pharabee Sapp. >Well, if you go to Bryan county, Ga. census you will find a >William Henry Married to Pharabee, and you will find a Francis >Bartow, a Henry J. a John H. but no William David. >The confusion comes in here: >I descend from Francis Bartow Shuman...born same year (give or take >a year) as the other from Tattanall co....He has a brother Henry J. >and a John H. His father is William Henry and his mother is Pharabee. >They are two different Francis Bartows as one is buried in Vidalia >ga., and the other in Bryan co....both died 1917-1918..... >Francis Bartow is my gt. grandfather and my mother still remembered him >as he died when she was 14 years old. He is located on the census of >Bryan co. living next door to the William Henry and Pharabee that have >the seven children and who I think your line links into.....the other >Francis Bartow is in Tattnall co. > >2.does your relative have a document that shows Henry Joshua born in >Germany? >3.Also, on the 1900 census, Old William Henry that married Pharabee, >married again in 1898 he he shows up having been married for 2 years, >but shows only having been married twice....ruling out a third marriage >if he was indeed the one that married Susannah Haymans. >4. The JOhn H. that was brother to my Francis Bartwo, was JOhn Harrison >and I have his family documented. >5.I am interested in Martha Key being possibly Cherokee Indian. Was it >family tradition that this is based on? >6.Is there a family Bible or something that shows Susannah Hayman died >at 18?...just wondering. >7.I have never seen James' name other than a T. for Thomas...as is on >his estate records in Effingham co. > >I do believe your relative is correct about William that married Susannah >being your ancestor....but I think we are mixing up the two families some- >how.....did he go back and live in S.C. and that is why his first children >were born there? I know James lived in Effingham when William was born and >that I have the plat of the place even showing where the house was located >so, I was wondering why William went to S.C. to have the children. > >I have put together a book 500 pages on our family....I could not tie your >part in at the time so I made a supplement on them and the Stanleys. >I would love nothing more than to straighten out any part that is incorrect >in that book. >Since it was published, it has doubled (in my data base) in size. >I am so glad someone else is seriously researching that part of the family. >Hope to hear from you soon. >Carolyn > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is a discussion area for anyone > who has an interest in SHUMAN genealogy or history > You can also > visit the SHUMAN Web Site at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/welcome.html > ----------------- > >