James, I see you have found the "Brethern List", a really active one and well researched....but I still want to find a "Shuman" family that would name a child born c. 1812 "James", not a popular name...and that this child went to IL, seemingly by himself, c. 1830 to marry a very Roman Catholic Irish lass, Mary Annie Riney. Then off they go to MO, where lots of descendants still exist...??? Any clues for the millennium? In all good spirits...Ann in Carmel, CA