cbowen, In your research have you found a marriage between the Christian Shuman that moved to Rowan County,NC? I'm a descendant of his via his son Jacob, then James W., etc. settling in Charlotte, NC. I do not know who my GGGgrandmother was or when they married. Any help from you would be appreciated. By the way, is your name Chris? Many Thanks -----Original Message----- From: cbowen <cbowen@flanet.com> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 5:43 PM Subject: [SHUMAN] Incoming Shumans >Dear James: >I do not have evidence of it but in researching other family members and the Shuman's I have found quite a few Shuman's hanging out in Maryland and marrying in that state. Now geographically this is not all that far from Philadelphia and during this time period alot of people were uncertain whether they were born in Maryland, Pennsylvania or Virginia because of the border disputes between states and the changes in boundaries during that time. But as I said I have found many Shuman marriages in Maryland and it seems to me that these folks our sturdy forefathers traveled alot more than I do!!!! So it doesn't surprise me that these Shuman's could travel get distances from Philly to Florida - no more than from Philly to California - the 1700's seem so remote and so long ago that it is hard to believe that the people of these times traveled so much but ole' George Washington himself was a frequent flyer (don't know if he got a free ride after so many miles but he should have).! > Chris > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > Support the people who support you. Join Rootsweb at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html/ > RootsWeb supports our SHUMAN research by hosting our mailing list! > Do you support RootsWeb? > ----------------- > >

> >P.S. James, I finally have copies of The Tape of all of the Shuman >Cemeteries which was done on >my Uncle Ches's 80th birthday in 1991. My two uncles, Bob & Ches, narrate >it, and I am having some >difficulty getting through it since we have lost both of them, and my mom >since then. But it is finally available. > >Barb > Thanks, Barb! I'll look forward to viewing it. I appreciate how much it means to you. JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

I have Shuman relatives from Indiana PA - namely a ggggrandfather William Shuman. He was born approx 1809 and died in 1880. Do you think this might be a connection? I don't have too much more info other than his wife and children's names. Please let me know. Wendy Ridgway Silver Spring, MD

Chris-- I hate to sound negative as we all appreciate your efforts, but do you think you could use your Return Key, so as to make your messages better than one long sentence? Such as what I have done to it below. Thanks, Barb Palmer P.S. James, I finally have copies of The Tape of all of the Shuman Cemeteries which was done on my Uncle Ches's 80th birthday in 1991. My two uncles, Bob & Ches, narrate it, and I am having some difficulty getting through it since we have lost both of them, and my mom since then. But it is finally available. Barb cbowen wrote: > Dear James: > I do not have evidence of it but in researching other family members and the Shuman's I have found quite a few Shuman's hanging out in Maryland and marrying in that state. Now geographically this is not all that far from Philadelphia and during this time period alot of people were uncertain whether they were born in Maryland, Pennsylvania or Virginia because of the border disputes between states and the changes in boundaries during that time. But as I said I have found many Shuman marriages in Maryland and it seems to me that these folks our sturdy forefathers traveled alot more than I do!!!! So it doesn't surprise me that these Shuman's could travel get distances from Philly to Florida - no more than from Philly to California - the 1700's seem so remote and so long ago that it is hard to believe that the people of these times traveled so much but ole' George Washington himself was a frequent flyer (don't know if he got a free ride after so many miles but he should have! ).! > Chris > > ==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > Support the people who support you. Join Rootsweb at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html/ > RootsWeb supports our SHUMAN research by hosting our mailing list! > Do you support RootsWeb? > -----------------

Cousins, I received the following message from a possible cousin in FL. Do any of you PA researchers recognize anything here that could help her? Her e-address is <FFshuman@aol.com> > Sometime ago I ran across you and we exchanged names. I have done some >research on my husbands family and have had help from some who knew a lot >more than I. His forefathers came into Ohio from Franklin Co.Pa. Some went >on to Indiana. The farthest back we go is to Harman Shuman born cal790. His >son was John George and his son was Samuel W.born l851. Are any of these >names of any interet to you? I hope to get busy on doing some research but >when you are in Fl and retired and almost 83 you don't get everything done. I >have to do my swim and erexcise programs and it keeps me on the go. > >Fran Shuman > Thanks! JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

Dear James: I do not have evidence of it but in researching other family members and the Shuman's I have found quite a few Shuman's hanging out in Maryland and marrying in that state. Now geographically this is not all that far from Philadelphia and during this time period alot of people were uncertain whether they were born in Maryland, Pennsylvania or Virginia because of the border disputes between states and the changes in boundaries during that time. But as I said I have found many Shuman marriages in Maryland and it seems to me that these folks our sturdy forefathers traveled alot more than I do!!!! So it doesn't surprise me that these Shuman's could travel get distances from Philly to Florida - no more than from Philly to California - the 1700's seem so remote and so long ago that it is hard to believe that the people of these times traveled so much but ole' George Washington himself was a frequent flyer (don't know if he got a free ride after so many miles but he should have).! Chris

Barb - I am told by my resident computer guru that most internet email software (mine included) automatically wraps so there is no need to hit return. Most of us are unaware that some folks have the problem you are having.

from me.... Carolyn Jarrard 608 East Hwy 80 Bloomingdale, Ga. 31302 (912) 748-6778...$40. plus 3.50 postage. At 10:47 AM 01/16/2000 EST, you wrote: >How can I obtain a copy of the book Shuman and allied families. > >Thanks, > >Marie > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- > > >

>James, I note that you referred to the SC/GA Shuman line. I have not been >able to determine when Martin Henry Shuman came over, and into what port. >Also, did he have any other kin that came over with him? I have assumed he >came >to Philly. Any input would be a help. Thanks. Bonnie Carn > I know there are several from this line on the List; does anyone have information on where Martin Henry came from, exactly? If so, there are many of us who would appreciate your help... There *was* a major migration trail from eastern PA and MD down the VA valley into NC. Even so, that was a long way to travel in the 1700s, so I had always assumed that he landed somewhere farther south than Philadelphia, but I have no evidence of that. What do some of you others have to say? JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

James, I note that you referred to the SC/GA Shuman line. I have not been able to determine when Martin Henry Shuman came over, and into what port. Also, did he have any other kin that came over with him? I have assumed he came to Philly. Any input would be a help. Thanks. Bonnie Carn James Shuman wrote: > Ann H. Mack" <ahmack@redshift.com> wrote: > > >James, > >I see you have found the "Brethern List", a really active one > >and well researched.... > > Actually, I've been a member of that List since its early days On the > Maiser List at Indiana University. That's probably 4 or 5 years ago. I > would agree that much of the success of that List is that it includes > several "retired" historians, and others who are active in posting > information. > > Also interesting is the inter-relationship my branch of the SHUMAN family > has had with Brethren people. So far as is known, the SHUMANs were > Methodist in WV and IN, from early 1800s to 1860s. But at the three > locations we have for them, there were Brethren people living nearby. > Finally, in the 4th generation, one of the Shumans became a "Dunkard," and > then several more from the one family from which I descend joined the > Brethren. Most of the others have remained with the mainline churches, such > as Methodist, Christian, etc. > > but I still want to find a "Shuman" family > >that would name a child born c. 1812 "James", not a popular > >name...and that this child went to IL, seemingly by himself, > >c. 1830 to marry a very Roman Catholic Irish lass, Mary > >Annie Riney. Then off they go to MO, where lots of descendants > >still exist...??? Any clues for the millennium? > >In all good spirits...Ann in Carmel, CA > > > > > Of course, I have to take exception to your statement that "James" was/is > not a popular name <g>. In the John Shuman branch especially, ALL J-names > were popular. And there were James W, James M. and James A. all born before > 1830. > > Now, as to going to IL by himself at age 18, I would dare say that such > exploratory trips were not unusual for young men who felt the itch to be > part of that great westward movement of the time (notice he didn't stop > until he got to MO <g>). > > And if he was "rootless" (i.e., went to IL without close family), then it > might not have mattered much to him what the denomination of his future > wife was. > > Now, your real question is: Where did this James come from? We must bear in > mind that there were more than a dozen different immigrations of Shumans > into the PA area during the period 1730-1770, and by the turn of the > century, quite a few of them (or their descendants) had already migrated > westward and southward. In addition, we have at least one prominent family > in the NC/GA area by the late 1700s who has been difficult to trace farther > back. > > By 1812, several Shumans have been found in OH, and perhaps a few in KY > and/or TN. I believe that our task in the next millennium is going to be to > help sort out which of our present lines traces back to which of those > early immigrants. Those of us who are "stuck" around the late 1700s or > early 1800s need to keep our attention focussed on these areas and watch > for/help in finding new discoveries concerning the SHUMAN families. > > Best Regards! > > JS > > ____________________________ > James Shuman, art instructor > Modesto High School > jshuman@telis.org > ____________________________ > > ==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > -----------------

How can I obtain a copy of the book Shuman and allied families. Thanks, Marie

Unsubscribe. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: <SHUMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <SHUMAN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: SHUMAN-D Digest V00 #2

Ann H. Mack" <ahmack@redshift.com> wrote: >James, >I see you have found the "Brethern List", a really active one >and well researched.... Actually, I've been a member of that List since its early days On the Maiser List at Indiana University. That's probably 4 or 5 years ago. I would agree that much of the success of that List is that it includes several "retired" historians, and others who are active in posting information. Also interesting is the inter-relationship my branch of the SHUMAN family has had with Brethren people. So far as is known, the SHUMANs were Methodist in WV and IN, from early 1800s to 1860s. But at the three locations we have for them, there were Brethren people living nearby. Finally, in the 4th generation, one of the Shumans became a "Dunkard," and then several more from the one family from which I descend joined the Brethren. Most of the others have remained with the mainline churches, such as Methodist, Christian, etc. but I still want to find a "Shuman" family >that would name a child born c. 1812 "James", not a popular >name...and that this child went to IL, seemingly by himself, >c. 1830 to marry a very Roman Catholic Irish lass, Mary >Annie Riney. Then off they go to MO, where lots of descendants >still exist...??? Any clues for the millennium? >In all good spirits...Ann in Carmel, CA > > Of course, I have to take exception to your statement that "James" was/is not a popular name <g>. In the John Shuman branch especially, ALL J-names were popular. And there were James W, James M. and James A. all born before 1830. Now, as to going to IL by himself at age 18, I would dare say that such exploratory trips were not unusual for young men who felt the itch to be part of that great westward movement of the time (notice he didn't stop until he got to MO <g>). And if he was "rootless" (i.e., went to IL without close family), then it might not have mattered much to him what the denomination of his future wife was. Now, your real question is: Where did this James come from? We must bear in mind that there were more than a dozen different immigrations of Shumans into the PA area during the period 1730-1770, and by the turn of the century, quite a few of them (or their descendants) had already migrated westward and southward. In addition, we have at least one prominent family in the NC/GA area by the late 1700s who has been difficult to trace farther back. By 1812, several Shumans have been found in OH, and perhaps a few in KY and/or TN. I believe that our task in the next millennium is going to be to help sort out which of our present lines traces back to which of those early immigrants. Those of us who are "stuck" around the late 1700s or early 1800s need to keep our attention focussed on these areas and watch for/help in finding new discoveries concerning the SHUMAN families. Best Regards! JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

James, I see you have found the "Brethern List", a really active one and well researched....but I still want to find a "Shuman" family that would name a child born c. 1812 "James", not a popular name...and that this child went to IL, seemingly by himself, c. 1830 to marry a very Roman Catholic Irish lass, Mary Annie Riney. Then off they go to MO, where lots of descendants still exist...??? Any clues for the millennium? In all good spirits...Ann in Carmel, CA

Hello - I am new on the Shuman list. We descend from a George Suman b. 11 Dec 1822 in Frederick Co., MD, m. 12 Oct 1842 in Frederick Co., MD to Souanna Longman b. 3 Dec 1823. Their son Josiah Suman b. 7 Mar 1851, Frederick Co., MD m. 22 Dec 1881 in Van Wert Co., OH to Jemina Jane Counseller b. 11 Mar 1856. My records on these families are quite complete. The problem comes in tracing the parentage of George. I suspect he came down from Pennsylvania. I cannot connect him with the numerous Suman families living in the Monocacy Valley around Frederick MD. Information already acquired on George comes from 1850 Census of Frederick Co., MD and from obituaries. About 1853 George, Souanna and their family left MD and settled in Ohio. Later they relocated to Indiana. George died 28 Jul 1893 in Pike Township, Jay Co., Indiana. I would deeply appreciate any insights into my lineage. Thank you! Joy Leininger

Looking to purchase this atlas but would like someone's opinion who has one. Do they map out acreage by owners name like some maps I have seen. I found a place that has one for $55.00 don't know if I could do better than that somewhere else but I never looked at one before and am hoping the purchase would be worth it. Thanks, Marie

As some of you might already know, Ancestry.com this week is posting Georgia Cherokee Land Grants for 1838 on their site. I believe it is free for 10 days if you don't already subscribe. It lists the following: Number District Name Residence County Comment 231 Fourth William H. 19th Bryan Second Shuman Section Cherokee ______________________________________________________________ 194 24th, 2nd Martin 19th Bryan granted previous section Shuman to the first day of Cherokee January 1838 _________________________________________________________________ Does this shed any light for us who are descendents of Martin Shuman? Also, I had asked this around the holidays and know that everyone was busy but, My great grandgrandmother was Susanna Phillips wife of JJB Shuman does anyone know anything of her family. There are 54 Phillips names on this Georgia Cherokee Land list also. Thanks for any information that you might have. Also does anyone know the maiden name of Harriet Shuman wife of Joseph M. Shuman and also if the Martha married to Martin Henry maiden name was Nix or if not what was it. Thanks, Marie

[snip] > >If the list master would like to have a listing of Eli Addison SHUMAN's line >for his home page, please send me an email letting me know and I will get it >to you as soon as I can. I will have to work something up since my >computerized genealogy is still on my Commodore 64 and I can't GEDCOM it. >I've tried. > >Diane Swiger > > Diane, Thanks for the offer. Yes, I would like it very much. You can just send it to me as e-mail documents. Thanks! JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

Since I posted my two SHUMAN lines during the hectic holiday season, I am reposting them again. I checked out the Eclectic artists homepage and found it very beneficial. My first line is as follows: 1. Henry SHUMAN (1782-1857) married Sarah ?. 2. William SHUMAN (1802-1882) married Matilda KENDALL on 21 Feb 1826. 3. George Washington SHUMAN (1828-1894) married Mary Ann FLOYD in 1852. 4. Eli Addison SHUMAN (1853-1925) married Phoebe Diane MICHAEL on 2 Jun 1877. 5. Lydia Anna SHUMAN (1879-1953) married Lewis BARKER on 18 Nov 1895. Second line: 1. John SHUMAN (1760?-1832) married Elizabeth SMITH ca 1785. 2. Elizabeth SHUMAN (1812-?) married John L FLOYD in 1832. 3. Mary Anne FLOYD (1830?-1895) married George Washington SHUMAN (see above line). If the list master would like to have a listing of Eli Addison SHUMAN's line for his home page, please send me an email letting me know and I will get it to you as soon as I can. I will have to work something up since my computerized genealogy is still on my Commodore 64 and I can't GEDCOM it. I've tried. Diane Swiger

The following message may be of interest to some. Please reply directly to the author of the message. JS List custodian >Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:01:14 -0800 >From: Margaret Melton <marg7@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: marg7@bellsouth.net >X-Accept-Language: en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: jshuman@telis.org >Subject: SCHUMANN GENEALOGY > >I am researching the line of Anna Louesa Schumann, my ggrandmother. >Her father was Ludwig Schumann. Ludwig and his wife Henrietta came to >America between 1867 and 1870. They are listed on the 1870 census in >Kendall Co., Ill.Then I loose all track of them until Anna Louesa showed >up in Iowa in 1889 when she married my ggrandfather. If you know anyone >searching any of these names I would appreciate very much to have >contact with them. Anna Louesa had 2 sisters and 1 brother as of 1870, >Emma, Mary and Otto. I dont know it there were any more children. >Margaret Melton marg7@bellsouth.net > ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________