Chris, Thiel Luthern College is in Greenville, Pa. Also just a thought at least a couple of Shumans were married in Jollytown, Greene Co., Pa. Just across the state line. One was my great Uncle Dr. Philip Edward Shuman. I found it recorded in the Land Deed Section of Marion County Court House. Good Luck. Bill Shuman

Bill, > Was your wifes late cousin Dr. Ruff? No. Her cousin was Rev. Luther Fackler. He died about ten years ago. He had served congregations in western Pennsylvania, especially in Pittsburgh and after his retirement would volunteer as archivist for the synod. The records were stored at Thiel. We corresponded briefly about his mother's people. He was my father-in-law's first cousin and had some information that filled in a few holes in my wife's family tree. Mike

Can somebody tell me where Theil (Thiel) college is - I will be going to WVA for summer and maybe my sister and I can take a trip there if it is not real far (or in PA) my nephew lives in Morgantown WVA and it just a hop, skip, jump over the border but I never heard of Thiel College. Chris -----Original Message----- From: WEShuman@aol.com <WEShuman@aol.com> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Thiel College and its archives >Thanks, Mike > > I had written the College several years ago and never recieved a >message. I really thinks a lot of the Shuman?Kendall family questions could >be answered in the archived records the the Jacobs Church. >Be it burial, cemetery, birth, bapatism, and marraige records. Dr. >Paul Miller Ruff did some work for me on the birth and baptism records. >That really was good information, but opened up other questions. Was your >wifes late cousin Dr. Ruff? Thanks for responding. > >Bill Shuman >

Speaking of the military Ancestor.com civil war data base of Indiana has listed 16 Shumans as being in the Union army during that War. Noted just in case somebody has missed it. Bill Shuman

I found this on a Military Site: http://vax1.vigo.lib.in.us/~jmounts/soldiers/s1.htm Shoemaker, Aaron Service: Civil War, Private, 6th Regiment, 3 months service, Company I, Hamilton County. Mustered in 22 Apr 1861, mustered out 2 Aug 61, term expired. [2] Shoemaker, Gideon Service: Mexican War, Private, 4th Regiment, Company A, Grant County. Mustered in 31 May 1847, at Jeffersonville, Indiana, by Captain Gatlin, died 30 Oct 1847. [1] Shoemaker, Jesse Service: Civil War, Private, 47th Regiment, Captain Keller's Company, later Company H. Mustered in 13 Dec 1861 at Indianapolis, Indiana. Re- enlisted a Veteran Volunteer: 15 Dec 1864, at New Iberia, Louisiana. On detached service in the Ambulance Corps from 1 Sep 1862 to his death. Jesse was the son of John Shoemaker and Susannah Shafer. His brothers and sisters were: Andrew; Adam; Solomon; Elizabeth; Susanna; Catherine and Luenos or Suenos. He was born about 1830 in Columbiana County, Ohio. He was married to Elizabeth Rote, 25 Jan 1853, Marion County, Iowa. His children were; Martha; Charles Fremont; Frank and Laura Belle. He died 26 Mar 1865 at Fort Gaines, Dauphin Island, Alabama. The cause of death was the amputation of his right foot following an accident that occurred when he was unloading his ambulance from a steamship onto a rail jetty at Dauphin Island. He was buried 27 Mar 1865, East Point, Dauphin Island, Alabama. Age at death was 34. Source for this infor- mation is Nancy Thomson at email nancy@funnybusiness.com Shoemaker, Jonas Service: Mexican War, Private, 1st Regiment, Company E, Allen County. Mustered in 23 Jun 1846, at New Albany, Indiana, by Colonel Samuel Churchill. Discharged 21 May 1847 surgeons certificate. [1] Shumaker, Edwin W. Service: Civil War, Fifth Cavalry, (Porter County Roll of Honor), died in Andersonville Prison August 12, 1864. [10] Shuman, James A. Service: Mexican War, Private, 5th Regiment, Company H, Grant County. Mustered in 14 Oct 1847, at Madison, Indiana, by Major Morrison, mustered out 24 Jul 1848, at Madison, Indiana, by Major H. A. Goff. [1]

Thanks, Mike I had written the College several years ago and never recieved a message. I really thinks a lot of the Shuman?Kendall family questions could be answered in the archived records the the Jacobs Church. Be it burial, cemetery, birth, bapatism, and marraige records. Dr. Paul Miller Ruff did some work for me on the birth and baptism records. That really was good information, but opened up other questions. Was your wifes late cousin Dr. Ruff? Thanks for responding. Bill Shuman

I have seen several mentions of the Lutheran Church records archived at Thiel College and the difficulty in getting the College to respond to genealogical requests. I have minimal knowledge of what they actually contain, but my wife's late cousin was the one who responded to these requests. He was a retired Lutheran pastor and volunteered as archivist. Apparently the College has no one who can delve into these records except volunteers and their availability and ability to search determines whether the information can be obtained. This is not to discourage those making requests, but to prepare them for a lengthy wait [perhaps forever] before their queries can be answered. Mike Poston Rockville, Maryland

Cousins, The GenConnect Message Boards have now been "gatewayed" to this mailing list. When a message is posted to one of the seven GenConnect boards for this list (queries, biographies, Bible records, wills, deeds, pensions, obituaries), it will be automatically forwarded to this mailing list. The message sent to this list will contain the URL of the specific post to allow you to respond directly to the message. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO SUCH MESSAGES ON THIS LIST. In this manner, gatewaying will enable more effective communication between the mailing lists and the GenConnect boards. Regards! JS List Custodian ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

Chris, Good thought, about Kendall. I posted earlier the births and baptisms at the Jacobs Luthern Church in Masontown, German Township in Fayette County. Pa. This was in regards to the Shumans, but also one of the baptismal listings for the period of Pastor John Stauch was for the son Thomas born 27 November 1794 to the parents John Kindel and Elizabeth . Sponser was Thomas Kindel. The original records are located in the Thiel Luthern College Library in Greenville, Pa. They are probably in German. I wrote a letter to the College requesting additional information on burials and marraiges at the Church. I never did get a answer. Possibly any Shuman researchers that live nearby, might have better luck than I did. Also any Luthern members might be able to obtain the information. The births in the Shumans that I was able to was thru a retired Luthern Minister but he was going blind and was having problems with his research, so I have not bothered him since then. I still think our answers are in Pa, particularly Fayette County. Any other thoughts? PS there were numereous stones in the cemetery that were not readable. Bill Shuman Bill Shuman

James: I found this information at http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com I was just fooling around putting in names and watched the names of the parents of people who where coming up on the screen. I cannot even remember the name I put into the system except it might have been Sarah Kendall - I just don't recall I put so many names in and then bingo there was Jacob and Alice Temple Kendall as parents - So I'm still looking into the children of Jacob and Alice Temple Kendall to see what I can come up with from there. I thought it was an excellent lead, perhaps one of these sons or daughter married another Temple or intermarriages were so common. Good Luck. Chris -----Original Message----- From: James Shuman <jshuman@telis.org> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Sarah Temple Kendall >Chris Bowen <cbowen@flanet.com> wrote: > >>Folks, I'm terrible excited because I think I know where Sarah Temple >>Kendall Shuman got her middle name from, her granny/great granny. >>Jacob Kendall m. Alice Temple, thus the Temple name. I do not however >>know which one of the children is Sarah's father or grandfather but this >>must be where the name Temple came from - what do you think? Chris > >This is very interesting information. Please share with us where you found >it, and how others might go about trying to decide who Sarah's father was. > >I had been operating under the assumption that her maiden name was TEMPLE, >and that she had first married a KENDALL before marrying Henry SHUMAN. If >your theory is correct, then we've been looking in the wrong places! > >Regards! > >JS > > ____________________________ > James Shuman, art instructor > Modesto High School > jshuman@telis.org > ____________________________ > >

Chris Bowen <cbowen@flanet.com> wrote: >Folks, I'm terrible excited because I think I know where Sarah Temple >Kendall Shuman got her middle name from, her granny/great granny. >Jacob Kendall m. Alice Temple, thus the Temple name. I do not however >know which one of the children is Sarah's father or grandfather but this >must be where the name Temple came from - what do you think? Chris This is very interesting information. Please share with us where you found it, and how others might go about trying to decide who Sarah's father was. I had been operating under the assumption that her maiden name was TEMPLE, and that she had first married a KENDALL before marrying Henry SHUMAN. If your theory is correct, then we've been looking in the wrong places! Regards! JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

Folks, I'm terrible excited because I think I know where Sarah Temple Kendall Shuman got her middle name from, her granny/great granny. Jacob Kendall m. Alice Temple, thus the Temple name. I do not however know which one of the children is Sarah's father or grandfather but this must be where the name Temple came from - what do you think? Chris

Chris Bowen <cbowen@flanet.com> wrote: >I was wondering if anyone has noticed or has information on whether or not >Mary Smith who married Samuel Kendall in Uniontown, PA is or might be a >sister to >Elizabeth Smith who married John Shuman also lived at one time in Uniontown. >The Shuman's of this region Monogehelia, seemed to have married into the >Kendall >family and it appears Samuel Kendall and John Shuman where about the same age. >Any ideas? PS Yes I'm still out here in space - Chris Bowen I've asked around a bit but haven't found anything conclusive. What I found last summer is that Claud C. Kendall, a descendant of both Samuel Kendall and John Shuman, did a great deal of investigative work before he died, and left some of the important parts of it to the Library at Mannington (Marion County), WV when he died in 1993. He states that in 1782 Samuel came with his brother Jeremiah and wife to "the head of Little Dents Run in Mannington District then Harrison County, Va. now Marion County, W. Va." but after two years moved to the Uniontown area because of Indian trouble, and is listed there in a tex report for 1785 as being a cooper and wagon maker. He states that Samuel didn't like it in Uniontown and returned about 1790 "with the John Shuman family to Big Dents Run, Mannington" and settled on what is now called Rexs Run. "The Shuman family settled on the head of Drakes Run off of U. S. 250 about 2 miles north of Mannington where they stayed till 1820 when they sold and moved to Ministers Run..." [We think we know from other evidence that John was in Georges Twp, Fayette Co, PA until at least 1797 or 1798.] We know that the probable reason for the name "Ministers Run" is because one of the earliest settlers there was a minister, John Smith. I have not found anyone who knows who his parents were. Here is what Claud C. Kendall says regarding Samuel Kendall's wife, Mary Smith: Mary Susanna SMITH - ------------------------------------------- Birth: 20 Jan 1755, Cannons Run, Stafford, VA Death: 25 Sep 1808, Dents Run, Mannington, Marion Co, WV Father: Richard SMITH Mother: Elizebeth DAVIS Spouse: Samuel KENDALL Birth: 30 Aug 1749, Cannons Run, Stafford, VA Death: 20 Nov 1823, Dents Run, Mannington, Marion Co, WV Marriage: 15 Mar 1780 -alternate marriage date is 1778. -her birth was registered at Overwharton Parish Records, pg. 175 One of my good genealogy contacts in the Fairmont area, Laura Michael, says she's pretty sre that Elizabeth Smith (John Shuman's wife) and John Smith were siblings, but hasn't found any primary source proof. Also, we should be aware that Elizabeth was born in 1772, which is 17 years after Mary was born. That wouldn't rule out the possibility that they were sisters, but it would make it a bit less likely. Perhaps aunt and niece? Samuel was likewise at least 15 years older than most accounts for John Shuman's birth. Thus, we do have to wonder what would have caused them to move together from PA to VA-- was it simply friendship, despite the age difference, or was a family relationship somehow involved? Of course, one of the problems is in trying to follow a surname like "Smith" and discovering that there have been a good many of them even during this early period of settlement in the area! What do some of the rest of you have? JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

I was wondering if anyone has noticed or has information on whether or not Mary Smith who married Samuel Kendall in Uniontown, PA is or might be a sister to Elizabeth Smith who married John Shuman also lived at one time in Uniontown. The Shuman's of this region Monogehelia, seemed to have married into the Kendall family and it appears Samuel Kendall and John Shuman where about the same age. Any ideas? PS Yes I'm still out here in space - Chris Bowen

Hi, Saw your posting on the Franklin County page. I have some info on your Shuman line, not much but some. Visit my website: http://www.flash.net/~areta/Zullinger%252fZollinger%20Genealogy/ Cheers, Janice in Dallas ---------- >From: Thomas Shuman <TSHUMAN@bpsom.com> >To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SHUMAN] New Subscriber >Date: Mon, Mar 27, 2000, 8:37 PM > > Hi Everyone: > I just joined the discussion list. My name is Thomas Shuman and > this is my line I'm researching: > > 1. Philip SHUMAN b.? d.? Franklin Co.Pa. > > 2. Simon SHUMAN b. 29 July 1803, (Stateline?) Franklin Co., Pa; d.14 > Jan1879 Seneca Co., Oh.; m. Mary E. Beck > > 3. Philip Randolph SHUMAN b. 15 Jan. 1848, Seneca Co., OH; d. 3 Mar. > 1912 Seneca Co., OH; m. Sophrona George > > 4. Amandus Ulysses SHUMAN b. 3 Mar. 1874, Seneca Co.,OH; d. 5 April > 1941 (Tiffin) Seneca Co., OH; m. Theresa Eva Weaver > > 5. Earl Thomas SHUMAN b. 4 Jan. 1900, Tiffin,OH; d. 16 Dec. 1973, > Tiffin, OH; m. Marion Stover > > 6. Thomas Amandus SHUMAN b. 26 Nov. 1926, Tiffin, OH; d. 29 Oct. 1969 > Tiffin, OH; m. Wandalea DeWeese > > 7. Thomas James SHUMAN m. Debra Kay Gittinger > > Thank you, Tom > > >

Hi Everyone: I just joined the discussion list. My name is Thomas Shuman and this is my line I'm researching: 1. Philip SHUMAN b.? d.? Franklin Co.Pa. 2. Simon SHUMAN b. 29 July 1803, (Stateline?) Franklin Co., Pa; d.14 Jan1879 Seneca Co., Oh.; m. Mary E. Beck 3. Philip Randolph SHUMAN b. 15 Jan. 1848, Seneca Co., OH; d. 3 Mar. 1912 Seneca Co., OH; m. Sophrona George 4. Amandus Ulysses SHUMAN b. 3 Mar. 1874, Seneca Co.,OH; d. 5 April 1941 (Tiffin) Seneca Co., OH; m. Theresa Eva Weaver 5. Earl Thomas SHUMAN b. 4 Jan. 1900, Tiffin,OH; d. 16 Dec. 1973, Tiffin, OH; m. Marion Stover 6. Thomas Amandus SHUMAN b. 26 Nov. 1926, Tiffin, OH; d. 29 Oct. 1969 Tiffin, OH; m. Wandalea DeWeese 7. Thomas James SHUMAN m. Debra Kay Gittinger Thank you, Tom

Bruce, I'm glad to see your response to Kathy regarding Moses Shuman. I didn't know anything at all about him and suggested that she might check with Shuman-L. I figured someone (read BAS) might have something for her. Mike Poston Rockville, Maryland ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAShuman@aol.com> To: <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] New Subscriber: Moses SHUMAN > Hi Kathy,

On 3/25/00 at 3:01 pm Kathy Yokiel <jpyokiel@alltel.net> wrote: >I'm trying to locate an ancestor by the name of Moses Shuman. He lived >mainly in Washington Co. Ohio. His wife's name was Nancy Masters. He was >born about 1814 in Guernsey Co., Ohio, died 1888 in Washington Co., Ohio. >Someone mentioned an Adam Shuman from Lancaster, PA., that some of his >descendants moved to Ohio. Do you know anything about that? Any >information would be appreciated. Thank-you. Kathy jpyokiel@alltel.net For nearly two years I have had an occasional correspondence with a gentleman whose wife is descended from a Moses SHUMAN. I've invited him to join our discussion group, but he has declined to do so. He has, however, provided me with considerable information regarding this line. According to his records: 1 Moses SHUMAN - ------------------------------------------- Birth: bef 1775 Death: Feb 1823, Londonderry Twp, Guernsey Co, OH Father: Daniel (?) SHUMAN Spouse: Unknown Children: Daniel (~1802-1851) Lydia Jane Ezekiel Rebekah Second Spouse: Catherine BRIGHT Marriage: 2 Jul 1816, Belmont Co, OH Children: Moses Mary Jane Hala Unborn Child at time of his death ______________________________________________ My correspondent has provided me with a commentary on the Will that this Moses SHUMAN left, which follows: ______________________________________________ MOSES SHUMAN'S WILL of May 21, 1822 Recorded in Guernsey Co, OH Moses Shuman, father of Daniel and grandfather of Elizabeth who married Thomas Beaty Ables, must have known he was dying in the Spring of 1822 in Londonderry Township of Guernsey Co. We don't know how old he was, but we know from the Will that his second wife was pregnant. Moses used the device of a written and recorded will to provide for his nine sons and daughters and one grandson. The Will is a lengthy and carefully worded document obviously drawn up by a lawyer. The strange thing about it is that the name is very clearly spelled "Shoeman" in the recorded form whether or not it was in the original. A phonetic mis-spelling of "Shuman." Moses Shuman had two farms, one of which was rented out by lease at the time. He provided for all the possibilities for his younger (presumably) wife, Catherine Bright Moses [Shuman], whom he had married in Belmont Co, Ohio, on 2 July, 1816. The farm, furnishings and livestock where they lived was to go to Catherine for her use, and eventually to their first son, Moses. The sisters, Mary Jane and Hala (?), and the unborn child were to get money or farm stock of certain value as their share. There was an earlier family by a deceased wife whose name we do not know at this time. Daniel Shuman was the oldest son. Daniel was living with his father and Catherine at the time. Mention and provision is made for Lydia and Jane, but it isn't clear whether they are married and out of the house. Daniel is to get the other 130 acre farm "whereon Frances Epperson now lives" when the lease expires. A son and daughter, Ezekiel and Rebekah, are mentioned and also provided for by obligations Daniel is to pay from the 130 acre farm. There is also provision for a grandson, Moses Cochran, which suggests Lydia or Jane is married. This is an obvious effort by a caring father to provide for all his children, his wife and an unborn child. Moses apparently died in February of the next year, 1823, as his estate was probated in Guernsey Co (NE side near Harrison Co) on the 3rd of March, 1823. We were given a copy of the Will by Mrs. Teters (no estate papers extant) of Cambridge. There is little else we know about the family at this time. There is a deed recorded in Zanesville in 1806 in Volume B page 158 for a farm he bought of John Clark being Range 1, Township 3, Section 20. Moses is listed in an 1814 tax list in Guernsey Co as living on Range 1, Township 1, Section 3. In an 1816 tax list in Guernsey Co he is listed on 100 acres as the original owner on Range 1, Township 1, Section 2. This sounds like three different farms. It may be that he came to the area before 1806 on the land listed as original owner. ______________________________________________ Thus, it appears probable that the Moses SHUMAN, born about 1814 in Guernsey Co., Ohio, is very likely the son of this Moses SHUMAN, who lived in Guernsey Co, and whose oldest child by his second wife was named Moses. Last summer, I stopped in and did a couple hours' research in the Guernsey Co. area, and can thus verify that these SHUMANs were indeed living in OH as early as 1806, so I hope this will help you in your search. I am sorry, but I don't really have much more on this part of the family. My correspondent has been following a different branch of the family, and has found some of them living in Santa Barbara Co, CA in the 1880s-1890s. He recently wrote that he was pursuing a lead that the elder Moses SHUMAN might have been part of a Hugenot immigration of about 1806. I have no info on that. Regards! JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

Hi Kathy, In a message dated 03/25/2000 6:01:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jpyokiel@alltel.net writes: < I'm trying to locate an ancestor by the name of Moses Shuman. He lived < mainly in Washington Co. Ohio. His wife's name was Nancy Masters. He was < born about 1814 in Guernsey Co., Ohio, died 1888 in Washington Co., Ohio. < Someone mentioned an Adam Shuman from Lancaster, PA., that some of his < descendants moved to Ohio. Do you know anything about that? Any < information would be appreciated. Thank-you. Kathy jpyokiel@alltel.net My ancestor, Mary (Lupfer) SHUMAN and her family moved to Ohio following the death of her husband, Adam SHUMAN, in PA., about 1836. Moses SHUMAN, as far as I now know, is not part of that family. All that I know of Moses is that he came to Ohio between 1810 and 1820 (or he may have been born between those dates), and that he left a will, a copy of which I have in my files. If you wish, I can e-mail the text of that will to you, or you can order a certified copy from the Guernsey County Probate Court in Cambridge, OH. Can you be more specific as to the information you need? I only have his will in my file as a result of the early research on my family. I grabbed everything with the Shuman surname on it, then sorted it out later. I don't know if there is a connection to Moses, but there was also a Jonathon SHUMAN family in the same part of Ohio in the general time-frame of the first half of the 19th century, also not connected to my direct research. Let me know by direct e-mail if I can be of any help to your efforts. Bruce Shuman BAShuman @aol.com

I'm trying to locate an ancestor by the name of Moses Shuman. He lived mainly in Washington Co. Ohio. His wife's name was Nancy Masters. He was born about 1814 in Guernsey Co., Ohio, died 1888 in Washington Co., Ohio. Someone mentioned an Adam Shuman from Lancaster, PA., that some of his descendants moved to Ohio. Do you know anything about that? Any information would be appreciated. Thank-you. Kathy jpyokiel@alltel.net