Dear Bruce, I am attaching a copy of my reply to BBB with regards to Jacob Shuman. I have not received an answer from her as yet but imagine she will get back soon. Hope I'm not interfering. Marty _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Dear BBB; In reply to your request to the Shuman L. page. I am forwarding information on my ggg-grandfather Jacob Shuman (Shewman). I have nothing on a Catherine Shuman but it is possible that there is a connection between the two. My Jacob, as you can see, was born in Botetourt county, VA and came to Preble county, Ohio in 1805 with his father in law Christian Holderman. Don't know if this gives you any help or not. I am the second born of Helen Gertrude Shewman, a fifth generation descendant of Jacob. Marty Descendants of Jacob Shewman, Sr. Generation No. 1 1. JACOB1 SHEWMAN, SR. was born 11 November 1778 in Botetourt County, Virginia, and died 12 May 1840 in Monroe twp, Preble county, Ohio. He married HANNAH HOLDERMAN 10 March 1804 in Botetourt County, Virginia, daughter of CHRISTIAN HOLDERMAN. She was born Cir. 1786 in Franklin County, Virginia, and died 30 January 1860 in Harrison Township, Darke County, Ohio. Notes for JACOB SHEWMAN, SR.: >From the book, "History of Preble County, Ohio." Published by H. Z. Williams & Bro., Publishers. 1881 Page 275: "Christian Holderman, his son Abraham and son-in-laws, Jacob Shewman and John Koyle, and their families came out from Botetourt county, Virginia, in 1805." (This was in Lanier township.) Page 290 "Jacob Shewman, sr., was born in Botetourt county, Virginia, in 1778. In 1800 he married Hannah Holderman, who was born in Franklin county, Virginia, in 1786. Nine children were born to them, three of whom are living - Jacob, Martin and Susannah. In the early settlement Shewman came to Preble county and settled on Aukerman's creek, in Lanier township. He stayed there three years, and then moved to Gasper township. He had little or no capital when he came to this county, but had accumulated a property of a hundred acres of land before his death, which occured in Monroe township in 1840. His wife died in 1861, in Darke county. Jacob Shewman, jr., was born was born in Gasper township in 1812. In 1837 he married Elizabeth Sayler, born in Gasper in 1820. They have had twelve children, seven of whom survive. Mr. Shewman was township trustee for thirteen years, from 1850 to 1863. Martin Shewman, born in Gasper township in 1817, married, in 1841, Sarah A Cosby. She was born in Hamilton county in 1822. They have had eleven children, five of whom are living. He was township trustee from 1864 to 1877. He now owns and farms one hundred and twenty-three acres in Monroe township." More About JACOB SHEWMAN, SR.: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty More About HANNAH HOLDERMAN: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty Children of JACOB SHEWMAN and HANNAH HOLDERMAN are: i. ?2 SHEWMAN. ii. ? SHEWMAN. iii. ? SHEWMAN. iv. CHRISTIAN SHEWMAN, m. ELLA A. FALL, 31 December 1830, Preble County, Ohio; b. Cir. 1807. v. JOHN S. SHEWMAN, b. 18 November 1805, Lanier twp, Preble county, Ohio; d. 05 October 1873, Monroe Township, Preble County, Ohio; m. SUSANNAH SHOWALTER, 05 April 1830, Preble County, Ohio. More About JOHN S. SHEWMAN: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty More About SUSANNAH SHOWALTER: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty vi. JACOB SHEWMAN JR., b. 15 December 1812, Old Trace Road, Lanier twp, Preble county, Ohio; d. 27 March 1903, Near Eldorado, Monroe twp, Preble county, Ohio; m. ELIZABETH SAYLER, Cir. 1837, Preble County, Ohio; b. 02 February 1820, Gasper Township, Preble Cnty, Ohio; d. 03 March 1886, Monroe Township, Preble County, Ohio. More About JACOB SHEWMAN JR.: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty More About ELIZABETH SAYLER: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty vii. JOSEPH SHEWMAN, b. 06 April 1815, Old Trace Road, Gasper twp, Preble County, Ohio; d. 26 October 1855, Gasper twp, Preble Cnty, Ohio; m. MARTHA JANE COSBY, 09 October 1839, Preble County, Ohio; b. Cir. 1824; d. Cir. 1880. More About JOSEPH SHEWMAN: Burial: Saylor Cemetary, Gasper twp, Preble county, Ohio More About MARTHA JANE COSBY: Burial: Saylor Cemetary, Gasper twp, Preble county, Ohio 2. viii. MARTIN SHEWMAN, b. 28 December 1817, Old Trace Road, Gasper twp, Preble county, Ohio; d. 19 October 1890, Eldorado, Monroe twp, Preble county, Ohio. ix. SUSANNAH SHEWMAN, b. 29 November 1822, Monroe Township, Preble County, Ohio; d. 14 August 1893, Harrison Township, Darke County, Ohio; m. WILLIAM BROWN, 17 March 1842, Preble County, Ohio. More About SUSANNAH SHEWMAN: Burial: Yankee town cemetary, Harrison twp, Darke county, Ohio Generation No. 2 2. MARTIN2 SHEWMAN (JACOB1) was born 28 December 1817 in Old Trace Road, Gasper twp, Preble county, Ohio, and died 19 October 1890 in Eldorado, Monroe twp, Preble county, Ohio. He married SARAH A. COSBY 27 November 1840 in Preble County, Ohio, daughter of THOMAS COSBY and ANNA. She was born Cir. 1822 in Hamilton twp, Butler county, and died 17 January 1883 in Eldorado, Monroe Township, Preble county, Ohio. More About MARTIN SHEWMAN: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble county, Ohio More About SARAH A. COSBY: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty Children of MARTIN SHEWMAN and SARAH COSBY are: 3. i. WILSON3 SHEWMAN, b. November 1848, Monroe Twnshp, Ohio; d. 08 March 1935, Monroe Twnshp, Ohio. ii. HENRY SHEWMAN, d. 07 October 1862. iii. MARGARET SHEWMAN, b. Cir. 1841. iv. THOMAS SHEWMAN, b. Cir. 1843. v. WILLIAM ALAN SHEWMAN, b. 05 June 1844. vi. FRANKLIN SHEWMAN, b. 08 September 1845. vii. OLIVER SHEWMAN, b. Cir. 1854. viii. CLAYTON SHEWMAN, b. 28 October 1856. ix. ELLEN SHEWMAN, b. 07 September 1861. x. ALBERT H. SHEWMAN, b. 18 June 1864, Monroe Township, Preble County, Ohio; d. 30 July 1893, Monroe Township, Preble County, Ohio. More About ALBERT H. SHEWMAN: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty Generation No. 3 3. WILSON3 SHEWMAN (MARTIN2, JACOB1) was born November 1848 in Monroe Twnshp, Ohio, and died 08 March 1935 in Monroe Twnshp, Ohio. He married SARAH SAYLOR 07 February 1875. She was born 06 May 1854, and died 02 March 1935. Children of WILSON SHEWMAN and SARAH SAYLOR are: i. EVA4 SHEWMAN, b. Cir. 1876; m. IRA GUCKIN. ii. HALLIE SHEWMAN, b. 05 December 1877; d. 20 May 1898. iii. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN SHEWMAN, b. 20 March 1882; d. 18 February 1946; m. DAISY MAE JAQUA, 29 March 1902. iv. HATTIE SHEWMAN, b. February 1884; m. ANDERSON FUDGE. 4. v. JOSEPH MARTIN SHEWMAN, b. 28 November 1886, Greenville, Darke Cnty, Ohio; d. 04 February 1959, Greenville, Darke Cnty, Ohio. vi. CORA SHEWMAN, b. September 1889; m. WILLIAM RITZ. vii. CLARA EDITH SHEWMAN, b. November 1892; m. WADDEL HARRISON WILL. viii. IRENE SHEWMAN, b. February 1897; m. ORVILLE RICHARDS. Generation No. 4 4. JOSEPH MARTIN4 SHEWMAN (WILSON3, MARTIN2, JACOB1) was born 28 November 1886 in Greenville, Darke Cnty, Ohio, and died 04 February 1959 in Greenville, Darke Cnty, Ohio. He married ROSA LEE WILL. She was born 17 October 1885 in Botetourt County, Virginia, and died 20 November 1954 in Greenville, Darke Co., Ohio. More About JOSEPH MARTIN SHEWMAN: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty More About ROSA LEE WILL: Burial: Stump Cemetary, Monroe twp, Preble cnty Children of JOSEPH SHEWMAN and ROSA WILL are: i. HELEN GERTRUDE5 SHEWMAN, b. 19 August 1911; d. 13 October 1982, Cape Coral, Florida. ii. ? SHEWMAN, b. Unknown. iii. ? SHEWMAN, b. Unknown. iv. ? SHEWMAN, b. Unknown. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BAShuman@aol.com> To: <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 05 May, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Fw: Shuman Genealogy > In a message dated 05/05/2000 10:12:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > BBrownB@aol.com writes: > > < Hi, > < I have a Jacob Shuman who I am trying to verify as my ggggrandfather. He > was > < born in 1778, possibly in Botetourt Co, Va. He was in Ohio by 1810 as I > have > < found him listed on the tax list for that year in Hamilton Co. > < > < I had hoped this Jacob was my gggrandmother Catherine Shuman's father, but > I > < have her as being born in 1792, so the dates don't support that. If the > < dates are accurate, Jacob and Catherine could have been siblings...or I may > < just be on the wrong track. > < > < I am quite sure that Catherine married Daniel 'Whitaker at Springfield, > < Hamilton Co, OH in 1814. I have quite a lot of info on Daniel's > descendants. > < > < Does any of this seem to connect with your Shuman's? > < > < BBB > > The dates are far too early to be any one of the Jacobs in my line, but > I need a small clarification: 'Springdale' is located in Hamilton Co., OH., > while 'Springfield' is actually located in Clark Co., OH. Which location is > correct? Oh, and there's also a 'Springboro' in Montgomery Co., OH. I had > various SHUMAN relatives at one time or another in all of these Ohio > counties, and it would be helpful, and more certain, to understand the proper > location. If the location can be confirmed, then I can either confirm or > eliminate any possible link. > > Bruce Shuman > BAShuman@aol.com > >

Thank you, Marty, for the info re: Jacob Shuman. I am not sure if this is my Jacob or not, but I will continue to try to make the connection. The information you sent was really interesting and it was some which I have not seen before. Beverly

Bruce, I am quite sure of the Hamilton Co, OH location for Jacob Shuman in the early 1800s. A Jacob Shuman is listed on the tax list for 1810. Family history tells of the land they once owned which is now part of Cincinnati. Perhaps, the Springfield is not correct. I got that from the Internet and am not able to verify it, at this point. Beverly

Sorry, no. Our Jacob was born in Germany, lived in NY State until the Civil War, when he was killed and buried in Arlington, VA Richard L. Friedman Web Works West -- Web Design for the 21st Century Macintosh LC III (68030); OS=7.5.1; Monitor= 640x 480; HD=430m; Netscape Navigator 3.0.

In a message dated 05/05/2000 10:12:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BBrownB@aol.com writes: < Hi, < I have a Jacob Shuman who I am trying to verify as my ggggrandfather. He was < born in 1778, possibly in Botetourt Co, Va. He was in Ohio by 1810 as I have < found him listed on the tax list for that year in Hamilton Co. < < I had hoped this Jacob was my gggrandmother Catherine Shuman's father, but I < have her as being born in 1792, so the dates don't support that. If the < dates are accurate, Jacob and Catherine could have been siblings...or I may < just be on the wrong track. < < I am quite sure that Catherine married Daniel 'Whitaker at Springfield, < Hamilton Co, OH in 1814. I have quite a lot of info on Daniel's descendants. < < Does any of this seem to connect with your Shuman's? < < BBB The dates are far too early to be any one of the Jacobs in my line, but I need a small clarification: 'Springdale' is located in Hamilton Co., OH., while 'Springfield' is actually located in Clark Co., OH. Which location is correct? Oh, and there's also a 'Springboro' in Montgomery Co., OH. I had various SHUMAN relatives at one time or another in all of these Ohio counties, and it would be helpful, and more certain, to understand the proper location. If the location can be confirmed, then I can either confirm or eliminate any possible link. Bruce Shuman BAShuman@aol.com

Hi, I have a Jacob Shuman who I am trying to verify as my ggggrandfather. He was born in 1778, possibly in Botetourt Co, Va. He was in Ohio by 1810 as I have found him listed on the tax list for that year in Hamilton Co. I had hoped this Jacob was my gggrandmother Catherine Shuman's father, but I have her as being born in 1792, so the dates don't support that. If the dates are accurate, Jacob and Catherine could have been siblings...or I may just be on the wrong track. I am quite sure that Catherine married Daniel 'Whitaker at Springfield, Hamilton Co, OH in 1814. I have quite a lot of info on Daniel's descendants. Does any of this seem to connect with your Shuman's? BBB

Descend from a SHOWMAN family in Somerset Co, PA. We spell the name Sherman but distant cousins spell it Showman. Does anyone out there have an interest in Somerset Co, PA. Thanks, Donald

Hello there, I'm new to this as well. My name is Jon Shuman, my great grandfather was Forest Alabama Shuman who moved from the Bryan Ga. area to Utah in the early 1900's. I don't have the dates handy, but I believe he was a descendant of Martin Shuman as well. Pleased to meet you, Jon Shuman DBaker3381@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to list. My connection to the SHUMAN line is through the marriage > of Great Aunt, Cora Belle DAVIS (1886 - 1951 Bulloch Co., GA) to John Alvin > SHUMAN > (1882-1958). John Alvin SHUMAN was son of John Nathaniel SHUMAN and > Louisiana BURNSIDE. This line was in the Effingham, Bryan and Bulloch areas > of Georgia, coming to this area from SC. Descended through immigrant, Martin > Henry Shuman. > > Dot Baker

SHUMAN-L-MOGRUNDY I'm interested in the SHUMAN and CLARK in Trenton, Grundy, MO. I signed up to be a sponsor. Thank you, Monte C. Williams

There could be,although I haven't ran across one. All the Shumans I have are from either PA or WV. I will keep you in mind and see if I run across any who immigrated that way. Sincerely David Knight ----- Original Message ----- From: "jean collins" <jmcollins@proaxis.com> To: <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 2:17 AM Subject: [SHUMAN] Re:Schuman in Illinois > My grandfather John Schuman was b/1867 in Chicago, Illinois. Father's > name was Valentine Schuman, mother's name Iroelf Derfstanson. This is all > the info I have on him. Possible connection?? > > Thanks, Jean Collins <jmcollins@proaxis.com> > > >

Hi, I am new to list. My connection to the SHUMAN line is through the marriage of Great Aunt, Cora Belle DAVIS (1886 - 1951 Bulloch Co., GA) to John Alvin SHUMAN (1882-1958). John Alvin SHUMAN was son of John Nathaniel SHUMAN and Louisiana BURNSIDE. This line was in the Effingham, Bryan and Bulloch areas of Georgia, coming to this area from SC. Descended through immigrant, Martin Henry Shuman. Dot Baker

My grandfather John Schuman was b/1867 in Chicago, Illinois. Father's name was Valentine Schuman, mother's name Iroelf Derfstanson. This is all the info I have on him. Possible connection?? Thanks, Jean Collins <jmcollins@proaxis.com>

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <mbostono@juno.com> To: jshuman@telis.org Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:21:51 -0400 Subject: Shuman Genealogy Message-ID: <20000416.102152.-657779.0.mbostono@juno.com> Hi, I'm Mary Boston Ostrander, a retired Social Worker and new subscriber. Here is how I descend: Johan Georg Shuhmann b. ca. 1733 --Germany d. 1793 Lancaster Co., PA m. Anna Barbara Hanlin Adam Shumann b. 7/30/1771 Lancaster Co, PA. d. 1820 Cumberland Co, PA m. Anna Marie Lupfer Jacob Shuman b. 1798 d. 1878 Beaver Twp, Noble Co, OH m. Margaret Siegfried Sarah Shuman b. 3/1822 Greensburg, PA. d. ca. 1910 Wirt Co. WV m. Edward Miller Milly Miller b. 10/16/1849 Noble Co., OH. d. 12/26/1931 Wirt Co. WV m. Samuel Boston Ellsworth Lee Boston b. 5/31/1885 Washington Co, OH. d. 8/11/1977 Akron, Summit Co, OH. m. Carrie Alice Mallett Mary Boston Ostrander The only information I have on the Shumans is what I've found at the Shuman website so I'll be grateful for any information you can pass along. MBO

>Dear Shuman Family everywhere. > >I am JoElla Hammons Francis and my mother was Mildred Ruby Shuman Hammons. >My grandfather is Charles Shuman. All I know about him is he was born in >Alexandria, Madison County IN. b. 17 Feb 1858 and died 30 Oct. 1926 in >Trenton, Grundy County MO. > >I also know he was married once before he married my grandmother and had >two children. I would >love to have any information any one my have that would help me link my >family. > >My e-mail address is: gjfrancis@SoftCom.net > >Sincerely, JoElla Hammons Francis Hello JoElla, I have a Charles SHUMAN, born between 1852, the year his parents were married, and 1863, the year his father was killed in an accident, whose family was living in Madison Co, IN at the time of the accident. We do not have any other records on what became of him, although it was "thought" that he might have gone to IL or farther west. The dates seem pretty close... How sure are you of his birth date and location? JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

Dear Shuman Family everywhere. I am JoElla Hammons Francis and my mother was Mildred Ruby Shuman Hammons. My grandfather is Charles Shuman. All I know about him is he was born in Alexandria, Madison County IN. b. 17 Feb 1858 and died 30 Oct. 1926 in Trenton, Grundy County MO. I also know he was married once before he married my grandmother and had two children. I would love to have any information any one my have that would help me link my family. My e-mail address is: gjfrancis@SoftCom.net Sincerely, JoElla Hammons Francis

We've got some Shuman relatives in Michigan -- from Edward Schuman ("Buster") who was born in Janesville, WI in 1914. The family moved to Central Lake, MI in the mid-fifties, we're told. The family consisted of Edward II, and wife (unk), and children Edward III, Debra Jean, Geraldine (Cookie), Sandi, and another son. The family is obscured, but Geraldine's two children are Nichole Angelea and Michael Edward. Michael Edward still lives in Central Lakes -- he wrote to my sister with some details on that side of the family. Other Shumans in Michigan include my father's brother Lyle, who lived in Detroit for a while, and my father's mother Frieda Shuman, who moved to Detroit (or that area) sometime in the mid-1920's when the Shuman family split up in Janesville. Can you offer any help?? TIA -- Richard L. Friedman Web Works West -- Web Design for the 21st Century Macintosh LC III (68030); OS=7.5.1; Monitor= 640x 480; HD=430m; Netscape Navigator 3.0.

Dear Judi, As I read your query and the reply from James, it occured to me that you might give the 1870 census a shot. I have wound my way through many rolls of film, and recall seeing jails, poor/alms houses, lunatic asylums, etc listed with the names and ages of those "residing" there. If there was a home for children, you might come across the right place. I would suggest reading everything on the film very carefully. Good luck, Peggy James Shuman wrote: > >James, > > > >Since you are so knowledgeable, I was wondering if you might know how I > >could go about finding orphanages in the Mecklenburg County, NC area. My > >grandma Shuman was reared in one in approximately 1868-1870. I've > >contacted the library and even they have given me particularly no > >information. > > > >Thanks James. > > > >Judi > > Judi, > > You flatter me! but I fear you have grossly over-rated my ability. Perhaps > someone who lives closer to that area might be much more able to help out. > > I know that it's been difficult for others to locate records on orphanages > in PA, IN (and probably other states, as well) much before 1915. I guess > for one thing the names of the institutions kept changing, and for another, > some communities attempted to maintain the fiction that no such kind of > place existed in their area. > > Sometimes they went by other kinds of descriptive words than "orphanage", > but I'm not very certain as to what those terms were -- but that might be > why the library was not helpful. One I heard about was a "children's home" > and others had even less obvious names, I think. > > On the other hand, some terms are harsh-sounding to us: "foundling's home" > and "asylum" come to mind. > > Thus, I'm afraid to even begin guessing what the good people of Mecklenburg > County, NC might have chosen to call their orphanage. > > It would seem to me that there ought to be some kind of county/court > records which would include the name of the institution, although I realize > not all of them were public institutions. > > Best wishes on your search, and let us know if you make any progress. > > JS > > ____________________________ > James Shuman, art instructor > Modesto High School > jshuman@telis.org > ____________________________

At 10:24 PM 04/14/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>James, >> >>Since you are so knowledgeable, I was wondering if you might know how I >>could go about finding orphanages in the Mecklenburg County, NC area. My >>grandma Shuman was reared in one in approximately 1868-1870. I've >>contacted the library and even they have given me particularly no >>information. Hi Judi; I know you didn't ask me, but, have you looked in the local library to see if they have any Business Directories for that time. Many cities did. Good Luck in your hunt. Regards; Kathleen (Kathie) in Michigan bacardi@ismi.net Researching: ROOSA/ROSA in Madison County, NY and Illinois CUSHMAN in NY McCAULEY in Indiana/Michigan/possibly Canada MAHAN in Ill and Ireland CURLEY/CORLEY in Mayo and Illinois O'LONE/O'LOAN in Antrim/ Miichigan/Illinois DESCHENES in Quebec, France and USA WACKER Germany HORNUNG Germany RAUSER Germany SCHUMAN German/Michigan I'd rather be diggin up dead ancestors, than weeds....... http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1366/genealogy.htm http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1366/Genealogy1.htm

>James, > >Since you are so knowledgeable, I was wondering if you might know how I >could go about finding orphanages in the Mecklenburg County, NC area. My >grandma Shuman was reared in one in approximately 1868-1870. I've >contacted the library and even they have given me particularly no >information. > >Thanks James. > >Judi Judi, You flatter me! but I fear you have grossly over-rated my ability. Perhaps someone who lives closer to that area might be much more able to help out. I know that it's been difficult for others to locate records on orphanages in PA, IN (and probably other states, as well) much before 1915. I guess for one thing the names of the institutions kept changing, and for another, some communities attempted to maintain the fiction that no such kind of place existed in their area. Sometimes they went by other kinds of descriptive words than "orphanage", but I'm not very certain as to what those terms were -- but that might be why the library was not helpful. One I heard about was a "children's home" and others had even less obvious names, I think. On the other hand, some terms are harsh-sounding to us: "foundling's home" and "asylum" come to mind. Thus, I'm afraid to even begin guessing what the good people of Mecklenburg County, NC might have chosen to call their orphanage. It would seem to me that there ought to be some kind of county/court records which would include the name of the institution, although I realize not all of them were public institutions. Best wishes on your search, and let us know if you make any progress. JS ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School jshuman@telis.org ____________________________

I just found where George Fetty applied/received his Rev. War pension also in Greene Co. PA. Thanks for the info on where to search---by the way, as a descendant of Vincent Fetty, I'll take ALL information--the bad as well as the good. Hope to hear more. Linda