Richard Lentz <rlentz@gate.net> writes: > James Shuman, > In your message to Chris you noted Elizabeth's father was Alexander BEATTY. >Note that he is a I (first) since he had a son Rev. Alexander BEATTY II. You >also noted Alexander BEATTY I had a wife Molly. Is that the same Mary S. >CARTER >he md. 28 July 1797 in Monongalia County? > My wife is a descendent of both these Alexanders. I have a family group >sheet >on each family >Richard.. > > Richard, Yes, that is the same wife. She outlived Alexander by several years, and married again, to Joseph Morgan. I have some of the Alexander I info on our web site, at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/alexander.html but since this is a SHUMAN web site, I didn't put up very much of what I have on the BEATYs. I'd be delighted to exchange/share data with you on the BEATY line, but let's do it privately, rather than on this List. I know there's another group of SHUMAN/BEATY marriages, but they're in the NC/GA area, and I haven't been able to establish any relationship between these two groups. Nontheless, it's quite intersting. Regards! JS _______________________________________________ James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ _______________________________________________

cbowen wrote: > > Hi Ginseng: > Yep, when I was in WVA I wrote down all the Shuman marriages in all > counties, and all the death records of Shuman's in all counties. This DOB > for Massa Willey Shuman comes from a book of cemeteries done in l978 by Tri > County Researchers in New Martinsville, WVA. I did not however, write down > the cemetery but I did write down the page that this information is on pg > 314 - this particular cemetery in Wetzel County had 16 Shuman's in it. > Massa and Jesse were two of them. Wish I had some Ginkgo to balance out my > Ginseng. (I'm joking with you). Happy Hunting. Need to know about > deaths or marriages for or deaths and I thought I wrote down all the census > but can find them for Monogehelia, Marion, Harrison, Doddridge, Lewis, > Tyler, Wetzel - I gots 'em. Ahhh I found l850 census' of all above > counties for all the Shuman's, (Schuman's,and related names, I could find). > MMMM, think I saw a discussion on a Schonover I just found a Margaret Shuman > and John Schonover - sorry I've just recently deleted all my messages and > I'm not sure who was discussing the Schonover saga. Happy Hunting. > Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: ginseng <ginseng@neo.rr.com> > To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Correction > > >At 08:46 AM 10/13/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >>Correction on Jesse Shuman, info taken from Wetzel County cemetery > >records. Jesse Shuman 07/08/1836 died 01/13/1907 > >>Massa Shuman w/o Jesse 12/18/1833 no date recorded on tombstone. > Chris > >> > >Guess I should have looked further too <G> > > > >One of us has a typo. It could easily be me, I haven't been to Wetzel Co > >searching yet. I have that he died 2/23. I have the 1834 year for her from > >census records. Do you know where her birthdate came from? > > > >Gin > > > > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > > ----------------- > > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > > for past messages posted to this list > > ----------------- > > > > ==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- Hi, In your research of all the WV marriages and deaths did you come across the Shuman group in Ritchie County? Would be Sidney Sylvester and Mary Emeline Morrison Shuman and about 9 children. Sidney was born Ohio 4 Oct 1859 and died abt 1936. Mary born 2 Jun 1861 Ohio and died about 1934. believe they moved to Ritchie County about 1892-93. Thanks, Nancy

James Shuman, In your message to Chris you noted Elizabeth's father was Alexander BEATTY. Note that he is a I (first) since he had a son Rev. Alexander BEATTY II. You also noted Alexander BEATTY I had a wife Molly. Is that the same Mary S. CARTER he md. 28 July 1797 in Monongalia County? My wife is a descendent of both these Alexanders. I have a family group sheet on each family Richard.. James Shuman wrote: > >Found a Joseph Shuman marriage in Harrison County, WV married Elizabeth > >Beaty 11/13/1817 - Joseph parents John and Molly. chris > > > > > Hi Chris, > > You've found my line this time. Joseph is the oldest son of John of > Monongalia Co, the original immigrant to the area (along with Henry and > Philip). Elizabeth's father was Alexander Beaty, who lived in the area > around Mannington, now Marion Co. But in 1817, that was part of Harrison Co. > So... who was Molly? She was Alexander's wife. We don't know why she signed > instead of him, but we have a copy of the original, and that's clearly what > it says. > > Regards! > > JS > > _______________________________________________ > James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator > The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org > http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ > _______________________________________________ > > > > ==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is a discussion area for anyone > who has an interest in SHUMAN genealogy or history > You can also > visit the SHUMAN Web Site at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/welcome.html > -----------------

I didn't receive this message from James - wonder why? Anyhow, all I know is that on the marriage record i have from pg 396 of Harrison County WVA it shows parrents of Joseph as John and Molly - it does not show parents for Elizabeth Beaty. Maybe Molly is the illusive Lucinda - everyone seemed to think John Shuman may have had a wife or as Richard indicates Alexander had a wife named Molly - so maybe John Shuman, signed for Joseph and Molly Beaty (Beatty) signed for Elizabeth. Sounds good to me. Well, I just thought I'd rock the boat a little more. Hey? Love to All - Chris -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lentz <rlentz@gate.net> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Joseph Shuman > James Shuman, > In your message to Chris you noted Elizabeth's father was Alexander BEATTY. >Note that he is a I (first) since he had a son Rev. Alexander BEATTY II. You >also noted Alexander BEATTY I had a wife Molly. Is that the same Mary S. CARTER >he md. 28 July 1797 in Monongalia County? > My wife is a descendent of both these Alexanders. I have a family group sheet >on each family >Richard.. > > >James Shuman wrote: > >> >Found a Joseph Shuman marriage in Harrison County, WV married Elizabeth >> >Beaty 11/13/1817 - Joseph parents John and Molly. chris >> > >> > >> Hi Chris, >> >> You've found my line this time. Joseph is the oldest son of John of >> Monongalia Co, the original immigrant to the area (along with Henry and >> Philip). Elizabeth's father was Alexander Beaty, who lived in the area >> around Mannington, now Marion Co. But in 1817, that was part of Harrison Co. >> So... who was Molly? She was Alexander's wife. We don't know why she signed >> instead of him, but we have a copy of the original, and that's clearly what >> it says. >> >> Regards! >> >> JS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator >> The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org >> http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> ==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== >> ----------------- >> This is a discussion area for anyone >> who has an interest in SHUMAN genealogy or history >> You can also >> visit the SHUMAN Web Site at >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/welcome.html >> ----------------- > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- >

>Found a Joseph Shuman marriage in Harrison County, WV married Elizabeth >Beaty 11/13/1817 - Joseph parents John and Molly. chris > > Hi Chris, You've found my line this time. Joseph is the oldest son of John of Monongalia Co, the original immigrant to the area (along with Henry and Philip). Elizabeth's father was Alexander Beaty, who lived in the area around Mannington, now Marion Co. But in 1817, that was part of Harrison Co. So... who was Molly? She was Alexander's wife. We don't know why she signed instead of him, but we have a copy of the original, and that's clearly what it says. Regards! JS _______________________________________________ James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ _______________________________________________

Found a Joseph Shuman marriage in Harrison County, WV married Elizabeth Beaty 11/13/1817 - Joseph parents John and Molly. chris

Jim and Ginseng The Jesse and Massah Willey Shuman you reference are burried at the Wileyville,WV cemetery. It is located adjacent to the home property of William Shuman and Sarah Furbee Shuman. As to the date of her birth and death I have found 3 different dates for her birth. I found the headstone and some documents agree so I am using that date (December 18, 1833). Her granddaughter told me last month that she died the same year as Jesse which is 1907. Now that I have the general date I will review the records and get a date. Ron

Hi Ginseng: Yep, when I was in WVA I wrote down all the Shuman marriages in all counties, and all the death records of Shuman's in all counties. This DOB for Massa Willey Shuman comes from a book of cemeteries done in l978 by Tri County Researchers in New Martinsville, WVA. I did not however, write down the cemetery but I did write down the page that this information is on pg 314 - this particular cemetery in Wetzel County had 16 Shuman's in it. Massa and Jesse were two of them. Wish I had some Ginkgo to balance out my Ginseng. (I'm joking with you). Happy Hunting. Need to know about deaths or marriages for or deaths and I thought I wrote down all the census but can find them for Monogehelia, Marion, Harrison, Doddridge, Lewis, Tyler, Wetzel - I gots 'em. Ahhh I found l850 census' of all above counties for all the Shuman's, (Schuman's,and related names, I could find). MMMM, think I saw a discussion on a Schonover I just found a Margaret Shuman and John Schonover - sorry I've just recently deleted all my messages and I'm not sure who was discussing the Schonover saga. Happy Hunting. Chris -----Original Message----- From: ginseng <ginseng@neo.rr.com> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Correction >At 08:46 AM 10/13/1999 -0400, you wrote: >>Correction on Jesse Shuman, info taken from Wetzel County cemetery >records. Jesse Shuman 07/08/1836 died 01/13/1907 >>Massa Shuman w/o Jesse 12/18/1833 no date recorded on tombstone. Chris >> >Guess I should have looked further too <G> > >One of us has a typo. It could easily be me, I haven't been to Wetzel Co >searching yet. I have that he died 2/23. I have the 1834 year for her from >census records. Do you know where her birthdate came from? > >Gin > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- >

Sheryl (and to my other cousins), I haven't the faintest idea who W.C. Beaty was other than the fact he existed. Maybe your grandmother might know if W.C. Beaty or William Shuman was nicknamed "Wallace". I just remember my daddy talking about "Uncle Wallace" and how much he thought of him. My twin is in New Mexico right now on business, but I plan to ask him if he knows, when he returns Thursday evening. Or maybe, Ann or Peggy might answer this question for us. With all these minds working together, someone surely will be able to put the nickname with the right person. Susy Wiggins has the dates of several people who died so it might depend on the date that these people died. My daddy was born in 1908 so if one of these (WC Beaty or William Shuman)individuals died prior to this date, my daddy would not have remember him. By the way, the Dinkins that you were wondering about, is Charles Augustus' sister and James Jacob's half sister, Brenone (spelling?). She married a Mr. A. Dinkins. Susy has these dates, too, on exactly when they were born and died. I cannot remember the cemetery where all of these people are buried. Since Susy has replied to any of these questions, I'll try telephoning her tonight and get all these dates. I think a lot of the Beaty's and Shuman's (possibly Stauffers) were buried together. Talk with you soon. Judi Shuman Currington -----Original Message----- From: SherylRutledge <Sheryl.Rutledge@thehartford.com> To: - *tara13@gateway.net <tara13@gateway.net>; - *asburdette@juno.com <asburdette@juno.com> Cc: - *treece@psych.purdue.edu <treece@psych.purdue.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:25 PM Subject: Re[3]: Shuman Genealogy > I'm not sure I can follow all this conversation, but how might Wallace > Beaty fall into the raising Lizzie picture. I don't suppose the W. > Beaty in the census could have been Wallace? > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: Re:Shuman Genealogy >Author: tara13@gateway.net at SMTP >Date: 10/12/99 9:54 PM > > >Ann, > >I'm so glad we're getting together via email. What a wonderful world we >morals can make with all the technology we now have available to us. > >A copy of the marriage Certificate between James W. Shuman and Miss Margaret >Steoof(which makes me wonder if this last name could be Steuffer and not >spelled properly?) that I have states they were married January 1, 1857. >This is why I've guestion the birth date of your GGrandfather, James Jacob >(my grandfather, Charles Augustus' half brother). It would be so very >difficult for Margaret to have had a baby and get married on the same day!! >This is why I believe James Jacob was born January 1, 1858. Do you have a >copy of this marriage certificate as I do? After Margaret's death, he then >married my GGrandmother, Miss Jane Stauffer on May 13, 1863. You did say >that James Jacob was orphaned very early in life and late adopted after his >father, James W. passed away. The only children I've been able to come up >with for James W. Shuman is as follows: > >Catherine (b) 1851 - mother Martha Beaty - married to James W. April 11, >1850 >James Jacob - (who married your grandmother Miss Isabell Northey) - mother >Margaret Steoff on 1-1-1857 >Brenone (b) 1863 - mother Jane Stauffer (I was incorrect stating her mother >was Martha Beaty in my previous message) >Charles Augustus - (b) 4-30-1865 - mother Janes Stauffer - married Margaret >Elizabeth Beaty >John (b) 1866 - mother - Jane Stauffer > >A question for you is whether James' first wife Martha Beaty and Charles >Augustus' wife Lizzy were related? >I know nothing about my grandmother, Margaret Elizabeth Beaty. > >No, I'm not certain that the William H. Shuman I mentioned, is the same >William that is listed on the passenger list of 1860. It would not be the >same person since your census has a William H. Shuman for 1850 and 1860 >unless he did a great deal of travelling!! Unlikely, right? > > I do not know anything about William C. Beaty. You think that this WC >Beaty is Lizzy's father? You mentioned a census of 1860 that listed WC >Beaty and Tom Age 10. Do you have a census of 1870, and if so, does it >have Lizzy mention? She would have been age 6 for the 1870 census. Or, >even a census of 1880 making her age 16. Lizzy didn't get married to CA >Shuman until 1885. > >Dan Bowen and Sheryl are related to Minnie Shuman Bowen - daughter of CA and >Lizzy Shuman- and my daddy was their youngest child, Lee Washington Shuman. > >Please let me hear more from you on that records you have and what they are! >I must get a scanner so you can scan some of these valuable papers to me. > >Looking forward to hearing from you and your sister, Peggy. Take care and >do let me hear from you. > >Judi > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: asburdette@juno.com <asburdette@juno.com> >To: tara13@gateway.net <tara13@gateway.net> >Cc: Sheryl.Rutledge@thehartford.com <Sheryl.Rutledge@thehartford.com>; >SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:55 PM >Subject: Re:Shuman Genealogy > > >>Judi, >> >> I think you are the Judi that I have corresponded with before. Just >>read you posting of 10/10/99 in response to Sheryl Rutledge and was >>interested in all the info! Here are a few thoughts I had as I studied >>it . ( My father, Cornwell Shuman, my sister Peggy Treece, and I have >>been working on this line a long time. We are descended from James W. >>Shuman and his 2nd wife, Margaret Steeof and their son James Jacob. We >>think James W. and William H. Shuman were both sons of Jacob, 1790-1843.) >> >>>From various sources (census records, death notice, Bible) we thought >>James Jacob was b Nov. 1857 and his mother Margaret d June 1860. If so, >>she could not have been the mother of Brenone (Benne V. or Beena or Buna, >>as Cornwell interpreted the census) who was b about 1863 and is listed in >>the 1880 census as Jane Shuman's dau age 18. >> >>Charles "Dan" Bowen sent a list of Gus and Lizzy's children with dates. >>He must be a gr-uncle to Sheryl. Also have corresponded with Susie >>Wiggins who is Archie Albert Shuman's g.dau., I think. >> >>Do you know who Lizzie Beaty Shuman's parents were? And are you sure the >>William H. Shuman you mentioned really came from Germany in 1860? The >>dates agree with the Wm. H. with Margaret in the 1860 census, living with >>or adjacent to Wm.C.Beaty, probably her father. The dates also agree >>with the William Shuman, age 12, living with Catherina Shuman in the 1850 >>census adjacent to W.C.Beaty. >> >> The Bill Shuman who raised Lizzy might have been this Wm. H. Shuman, >>who was called "Billy' according to a descendant. Wm.C.Beaty had a >>Thomas, age 10, (son or g.son?) with him in the 1860 census, who might >>have been the Tom who also raised Lizzy. >> >>Anxiously awaiting your replies. Ann Shuman Burdette >><asburdette@juno.com> >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>Get the Internet just the way you want it. >>Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >>Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >> >

At 08:46 AM 10/13/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Correction on Jesse Shuman, info taken from Wetzel County cemetery records. Jesse Shuman 07/08/1836 died 01/13/1907 >Massa Shuman w/o Jesse 12/18/1833 no date recorded on tombstone. Chris > Guess I should have looked further too <G> One of us has a typo. It could easily be me, I haven't been to Wetzel Co searching yet. I have that he died 2/23. I have the 1834 year for her from census records. Do you know where her birthdate came from? Gin

>I'm hot on the trail again. Anyway, in regards to a Jesse Shuman, any Jesse Shuman I found Jesse born @ 1806 died 07/15/1868 married to Massa Willey. >Chris Bowen > A Jesse Shuman did marry Massa Willey. But this one wasn't born 1806. This Jesse was born 8 Jul 1836 d 23 Feb 1907. He married Massa b 1834 on 21 May 1857. They had five children William, Thomas, Absalom "App" Sylvester, and Sarah. William is DH's line, Absalom is Ron's line. This Jesse is the son of William born @ 1805 and Sarah Furbee. Keep digging <G> Gin

Thanks Ginseng, I realized my mistake after I had typed the first e-mail msg. If I keep digging I'm going to be in China and still have no results. So now I think I'll just sit back and watch what everybody else is scooping up. Thanks again. I like Ginseng, too. Chris

Correction on Jesse Shuman, info taken from Wetzel County cemetery records. Jesse Shuman 07/08/1836 died 01/13/1907 Massa Shuman w/o Jesse 12/18/1833 no date recorded on tombstone. Chris

Hi All: I'm hot on the trail again. Anyway, in regards to a Jesse Shuman, any Jesse Shuman I found Jesse born @ 1806 died 07/15/1868 married to Massa Willey. Chris Bowen

James: I agree with your assessment of the situation. I certainly feel a connection with Permelia Shuman and I plan on keeping her as part of this family. Great Loving Answer. Chris -----Original Message----- From: James Shuman <jshuman@telis.org> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Permelia Shuman >Cousin Don Humphrey writes: > >[snip] > >>James has done a great job with the Web Site and I'll be a little >>disappointed if she isn't. Seems like a great bunch of folks. Right now I'll >>consider myself adopted. > >Don, I think we've all adopted Permelia, too, and will probably "keep" her >regardless of who her father was! > >We're glad to have you with us! > >JS > > _______________________________________________ > James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator > The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org > http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ > _______________________________________________ > > > > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- >

James: Thank you for your info on Permelia Shuman, I can't explain the reason why but I am intensely interested in this woman's background, not only because of the Shuman connection but also her marriage to Jacob K Streight. The Streight family does seem to have a string of twins in this lineage believe the original spelling of the name was Strate. I'd appreciate all I can chew on about Permelia Shuman from anybody - just any little thing so I can compare notes. Thank you all so much for listening - I've received wonderful responses. Chris -----Original Message----- From: James Shuman <jshuman@telis.org> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Permelia Shuman >>Henry Shuman and Sarah Temple Kendall, I believe had a daughter named >>Permelia Shuman, who married Jacob Streight. I believe someone told me >>that Permelia may have come into Henry Shuman's marriage to Sarah Temple >>Kendall before their marriage. I also believe someone told me there was >>another daughter who came into this marriage also. I did not write her >>name down anywhere - I was wondering if anyone knows the name of this >>other daughter. Also please list names of known children of the marriage >>between Henry Shuman and Sarah Temple Kendall. Appreciate it - Chris >>Bowen >> >> >Chris, > >There are several folks on this List who are descended from Permelia, and >some of them have already responded. I have put part of this on our web >site, already, so you can look there for Henry's line. > >At this point, no one has been able to explain Sarah Temple Kendall. It's >pretty certain that Henry Shuman married her and had several children by >her (all listed on the web page), but the facts surrounding Permelia and >her sister Ellen(Helen) remain as elusive as their mother's original >surname. The girls have never been identified by any other surname than >Shuman, and henry seems to have accepted them as daughters, but what little >we know indicates they were born in "east Virginia" which could hardly >include Monongalia Co! > >Also, there's doubt as to whether they were twins. Some records indicate >that, but others suggest that Permelia was as much as 6 years years older. >Further, no marriage license/contract/bond between Permelia and Jacob >Straight has been found. If they WERE married the same day as her sister >Ellen was married to William Kennedy, then several of their children were >born prior to their marriage! Their oldest child was born in 1812, and by >1819 they had four children. The web site shows her with seven children, >but I have since received word of three more, for a total of 10: Elizabeth, >Alpheus, and Mary Ellen. > >The known children of Henry Shuman and Sarah Temple Kendall are: > (James) William Shuman, b. ca 1802, m. Matilda Kendall, had 8 children > Levi Shuman, b. ca 1804, m. Sarah Kendall > Henry Shuman, b. ca 1809 > Melinda Shuman, b. ca 1811, m. Lemuell Riggs > Mary Shuman, b. ca 1814, m. Henry S. Hawkins > > >Now, all you descendants of Henry and/or Sarah Temple Kendall: > >Please share your descent lines with us. I have quite a bit on James >William and Matilda's family, a little bit on Permelia and Jacob, but >nothing on the others. I would appreciate it if you'd visit Henry's web >page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/henry.html and see what's >already there, and then submit whatever else you have that can add to that. > >Thanks! > >JS > > > _______________________________________________ > James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator > The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org > http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ > _______________________________________________ > > > > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- >

>Henry Shuman and Sarah Temple Kendall, I believe had a daughter named >Permelia Shuman, who married Jacob Streight. I believe someone told me >that Permelia may have come into Henry Shuman's marriage to Sarah Temple >Kendall before their marriage. I also believe someone told me there was >another daughter who came into this marriage also. I did not write her >name down anywhere - I was wondering if anyone knows the name of this >other daughter. Also please list names of known children of the marriage >between Henry Shuman and Sarah Temple Kendall. Appreciate it - Chris >Bowen > > Chris, There are several folks on this List who are descended from Permelia, and some of them have already responded. I have put part of this on our web site, already, so you can look there for Henry's line. At this point, no one has been able to explain Sarah Temple Kendall. It's pretty certain that Henry Shuman married her and had several children by her (all listed on the web page), but the facts surrounding Permelia and her sister Ellen(Helen) remain as elusive as their mother's original surname. The girls have never been identified by any other surname than Shuman, and henry seems to have accepted them as daughters, but what little we know indicates they were born in "east Virginia" which could hardly include Monongalia Co! Also, there's doubt as to whether they were twins. Some records indicate that, but others suggest that Permelia was as much as 6 years years older. Further, no marriage license/contract/bond between Permelia and Jacob Straight has been found. If they WERE married the same day as her sister Ellen was married to William Kennedy, then several of their children were born prior to their marriage! Their oldest child was born in 1812, and by 1819 they had four children. The web site shows her with seven children, but I have since received word of three more, for a total of 10: Elizabeth, Alpheus, and Mary Ellen. The known children of Henry Shuman and Sarah Temple Kendall are: (James) William Shuman, b. ca 1802, m. Matilda Kendall, had 8 children Levi Shuman, b. ca 1804, m. Sarah Kendall Henry Shuman, b. ca 1809 Melinda Shuman, b. ca 1811, m. Lemuell Riggs Mary Shuman, b. ca 1814, m. Henry S. Hawkins Now, all you descendants of Henry and/or Sarah Temple Kendall: Please share your descent lines with us. I have quite a bit on James William and Matilda's family, a little bit on Permelia and Jacob, but nothing on the others. I would appreciate it if you'd visit Henry's web page at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~shuman/henry.html and see what's already there, and then submit whatever else you have that can add to that. Thanks! JS _______________________________________________ James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ _______________________________________________

Cousin Don Humphrey writes: [snip] >James has done a great job with the Web Site and I'll be a little >disappointed if she isn't. Seems like a great bunch of folks. Right now I'll >consider myself adopted. Don, I think we've all adopted Permelia, too, and will probably "keep" her regardless of who her father was! We're glad to have you with us! JS _______________________________________________ James Shuman, Telecommunications Coordinator The California Arts Project jshuman@telis.org http://www.ucop.edu/tcap/ _______________________________________________

Don: Something to chew on here - A Blues CLUE - my ggrandmother Mary Seese was a twin, her mother Temperance Mayfield Seese had three sets of twins and her brother Samuel Mayfield had two sets of twins, and their mother Permelia Streight Mayfield had one set of twins. In your response to me you stated that Helen and Permelia Shuman were twins and had a connection to your Streight family. Sounds like Mary Temple Kendall had a connection to the Streight family as well. What do you think? Chris PS Although Permelia Shuman married Jacob K Streight , I wonder if she herself might not have been a Streight or a Dragoo?----Original Message----- From: Wvcaver@aol.com <Wvcaver@aol.com> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Permelia Shuman >Chris >Permela Shuman is my 4th Great-grandmother. >Sara Temple/Kendall/Shuman has been a stone wall to me for at least 2 years >now. >Here is a sample of what I have found. > >According to the book: >William Kennedy & Related Families of McFarlands Run >Monongalia Co. Va./WV >1780-1890 >On April 26, 1819, the wedding of William Kennedy, Jr. and Jacob K. Straight >took place to the twin Shaman girls: Helen (Ellen) and Permelia. >The twin Shuman girls were married at the home of their stepfather, Henry >Shuman. >They were married at the age of 24. >Helen (Ellen) married William Kennedy, Jr. >Permelia married Jacob Straight > >Monongalia Co. Marriage Records. >Ellen (dau. of Henry Shuman) m: 4-26-1819, William Kennedy >Matilda (dau. of Henry Shuman) m: 3-12-1829, Lemuel H. Riggs. >Note: No Record of Permelia's marriage. > >Certificate of Death >Permelia Straight (Shuman) >d: 3-17-1874 >Parents: "Blank" & Sarah Kendall > >There has been a lot of confusion about Henry and Sarah. >Any other help would be greatly appreciated. >This is about all I have and most of it I found researching my Straight Line. >Sarah may have started out as Sarah Temple, then became Sarah Temple Kendall >and later Sarah Temple Kendall Shuman. >Permelia may not have been a Shuman after all. If so then I may be barking up >the wrong tree. >James has done a great job with the Web Site and I'll be a little >disappointed if she isn't. Seems like a great bunch of folks. Right now I'll >consider myself adopted. >Don Humphrey >Fairmont, WV > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- >

By the way, my ggggrandmother was Permelia Streight Mayfield - I just knew Permelia Shuman had something to do with the Streight family. Thanks again. Chris Bowen -----Original Message----- From: Wvcaver@aol.com <Wvcaver@aol.com> To: SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SHUMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [SHUMAN] Permelia Shuman >Chris >Permela Shuman is my 4th Great-grandmother. >Sara Temple/Kendall/Shuman has been a stone wall to me for at least 2 years >now. >Here is a sample of what I have found. > >According to the book: >William Kennedy & Related Families of McFarlands Run >Monongalia Co. Va./WV >1780-1890 >On April 26, 1819, the wedding of William Kennedy, Jr. and Jacob K. Straight >took place to the twin Shaman girls: Helen (Ellen) and Permelia. >The twin Shuman girls were married at the home of their stepfather, Henry >Shuman. >They were married at the age of 24. >Helen (Ellen) married William Kennedy, Jr. >Permelia married Jacob Straight > >Monongalia Co. Marriage Records. >Ellen (dau. of Henry Shuman) m: 4-26-1819, William Kennedy >Matilda (dau. of Henry Shuman) m: 3-12-1829, Lemuel H. Riggs. >Note: No Record of Permelia's marriage. > >Certificate of Death >Permelia Straight (Shuman) >d: 3-17-1874 >Parents: "Blank" & Sarah Kendall > >There has been a lot of confusion about Henry and Sarah. >Any other help would be greatly appreciated. >This is about all I have and most of it I found researching my Straight Line. >Sarah may have started out as Sarah Temple, then became Sarah Temple Kendall >and later Sarah Temple Kendall Shuman. >Permelia may not have been a Shuman after all. If so then I may be barking up >the wrong tree. >James has done a great job with the Web Site and I'll be a little >disappointed if she isn't. Seems like a great bunch of folks. Right now I'll >consider myself adopted. >Don Humphrey >Fairmont, WV > > >==== SHUMAN Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the SHUMAN Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SHUMAN > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- >