Hi Mary Kathryn and Liana, I have some news on the family of Joseph Alvin Shiver. I found that "newborn daughter" that Liana was referring to in her message dated 15 June 1999. This daughter lives here in Valdosta and this is what I have found out from her. Joseph Alvin Shiver is still living in Michigan. Joseph's first wife was Hedwig Marie Kush, born 6 July 1923 in Wyandotte, Wayne Co., Michigan. Hattie died 29 November 1949 in Ferndale, Oakland County, Mitchigan. She died 23 days after giving birth to her daughter and she never left the hospital after giving birth. Joseph and Hattie had the two sons - Wayne and Orris - and then this daughter whose name is Laura Lynn Shiver, born 2 Novembe 1949 in Ferndale, Oakland Co., Michigan. When Laura was six weeks old, she was sent to Georgia to be reared by her father's sister, Anna Evelyn Shiver, who married Marvin McCorkle. Now Evelyn and Marvin had no children of their own - they just had Laura. Laura told me that she had always gone by the name of McCorkle but that she had never been legally adopted. Laura married Martin Jay Miller and they have one child, Maura Anslie Miller. Back to Joseph. After Hattie died, he then Married a woman by the name of Mary Ann (maiden name unkown) with whom he had three children. These children were Bonnie Jean; Jo Ann; and Patrick. The children Joey; Mary Alice; and Margie were Mary Ann's children by her first marriage - Laura did not know their last names. Laura said she since she was raised in Georgia she had not kept in contact with the rest of the family and so could not give me dates of birth, etc. The dates for Hattie were off her death certificate which Laura got out and read out to me while we were talking. There is more data that could be gotten if Liana will call Joseph. Laura was very nice and I got the impression that it would be easy to talk with Joseph and Mary Ann. Ya'll let me know if you find out any more data!!!! Hope this helps - Lyrice