Never mind! I found this Joseph in my database right after I sent the message to the list. He was Joseph Alvin SHIVER, son of Oris Jacob SHIVER and Lessie BRADY. Oris was a son of Joseph SHIVER and Eva Lilla MOREE. Joseph was a son of John SHIVER and Mary SHIVER. Mystery solved! I'm writing Liana now... Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe South King Co. Genealogical Society web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs