Hello all! :-) Just wanted to send out a message and ask everyone if they could resubmit their lines. It's been a while, and we need to get some activity going on the list. One special favor though. I would REALLY like you to stress your collateral lines. If you know maiden names for women, please give them. If you know their parents, please give those as well. In doing some research in SC/GA/AL/FL, I'm constantly amazed at how often these families traveled together and intermarried (what a surprise among the SHIVER clan, eh?)! ;-) Speaking of that research, I'm in the process of extracting collateral names from the 1850 census in SW GA at the moment. Hope to get those on the web site soon. Also am going to take a HARD look at 1840 Dale Co., AL (and other surrounding counties) and see where all those SHIVER families are hiding. Anyone already done this? Anyway, I have a feeling that for some of us trying to trace either John or James' lines (sons of John & Hannah) that we are going to have to trace these collateral lines extensively to try and tease out who belonged to who. There are the PAYNEs, the PRESTWOODs, the SWILLEYs, the COXes, the SULLIVANs, JOHNSONs, CALHOUNs, etc., and then there are possibilities of FLEMING, MANNING, and others. Has anyone got any conclusive evidence of Hannah's maiden name? I've seen all the conjecture, but does anyone have PROOF? I'm dying to know where those CLEMMONS (CLEMENTS, CLEMONS, CLEMON, etc.) families are in SC that she was supposed to be a part of. Anyone know? Just thought I'd see if I could get any bites! ;-) (Just be sure they aren't too big out of me, k? <vbg>) Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/