Hey Ya'll! My line goes like Mary Kathryn's - John and Hannah ??? James and Elizabeth ??? (Well, I'm going with James for now - this has NOT been proven!!!) Enoch and Dedimarah (Love/Nettles???) John W. Shiver and Sarah D. Simmons Loyd Hampton Shiver and Lizzie Luckey Jessie Columbus Shiver and Emma Edward Cook Stanley T. Shiver and Lyrice Marie Palmer Lyrice Emma Shiver McCranie Dates can be found on Mary K's home page - she descends thro Perry Loyd Shiver who was the brother to my Jessie! I think that makes us second cousins, once removed!!! I would like to take this opportunity to welcome all our new members - I have been enjoying all the messages! Kenneth, I would love to know about the genetic defect! My mother and father are half second cousins!!! Surprise-surprise!! Lyrice