Farrell and Anna- It's SO good to hear from you Farrell! :-) I've been doing some more research on the Fleming branch recently (trying to sort out those daughters), and I've missed "hearing" from you on the list. I'm glad you found a new cousin (I can't imagine trying to figure out THAT relationship without the computer to do it for me!) LOL! I'm particularly interested in Fleming and Elizabeth's daughters, as they (of course), had children that married back into the SHIVER line. Henrietta (or Hetty) md. Mr. John A. DANIEL on 21 Jan 1844 in Pulaski Co., GA, right? They had Elizabeth, Debby Ann (who md. Faulton SHIVER), Harriet and Sarah. There may be more, I just can't find them in the 1870 census. It also appears that she may have married a second time to a Rev. J. H. McCULLERS. Do you have that? (I know, I know, now you have to dig out that genealogy stuff, huh!) :-) If Hetty wasn't Rev. McCULLERS wife, then I need to know if you know who was. I have an obit that says this: DEATH AND OBITUARY NOTICES FROM THE SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN ADVOCATE, 1867-1878; Issue of July 29, 1874: "Mrs. Henrietta McCullers, wife of Rev. J. H. McCullers and daughter of Daniel and Eliza Shiver, was born in Pulaski county, Ga., and died at Morgan Calhoun county, Ga., May 3d 1874, aged about 49 years. She leaves a husband and ten children. J. R. Littlejohn." There weren't too many Hetty's in the SHIVER bunch and the age is pretty close, so I'm curious about this one. As far as I'm aware, no Daniel Shiver ever married an Eliza--they usually married Mentenas, and I suspect that (like another obit I have) Daniel was really the name of her first husband, not her father's name (which should have been listed as Fleming)... Does that make sense? Obits can really get twisted up if the person giving the information doesn't really know the family relationships. I have one in my line that states that my 3rd-g-grandmother's first husband was L. H. Shiver, when actually he was her son-in-law! I also have a daughter Jane for Fleming and Elizabeth. I have marriage information that states that a Jane SHIVER md. a James F. DANIEL on 3 Jun 1852 in Pulaski Co., GA. Is that Fleming & Elizabeth's Jane? If so, does anyone out there have any census data (or other) on their children, etc.? I also have to wonder if John A. and James F. DANIEL were brothers. We've never seen that happen before in this family, have we? I also have to wonder that if that were the case, was the mother of these boys a SHIVER? (Given this family's penchant for marrying their cousins...) Sorry for all these run-on sentences, but I've been dying to ask these questions for a while now, and I'm thinking as I write... Oh! And also, Lyrice and I (and apparently Laverne Calloway) have come to the conclusion that Axiom CALHOUN was NOT Elizabeth's father, but more likely her brother. In his probate papers he leaves his estate to what looks like his siblings. He died about 1831 and in the 1830 census he appears to be unmarried and too young to be Elizabeth's father. From earlier probate records that Axiom was the administrator on, it looks like their father was John C. CALHOUN (same name as the one-time governor of South Carolina; is that coincidence or is there a relationship there?). I have some information on John C.'s probate here somewhere... (And I don't even have the excuse of having moved!) :-) Well, I'll draw this novel to an end. I hope all of you have a WONDERFUL Thanksgiving! Be grateful for those SHIVER ancestors that lived their lives in such a way that we have been blessed. (Besides, they gave us all something to do in hunting them down!) :-) Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/