I was interested in the comment by Anna Mitchell: >The two brothers, >Fleming Shiver b. BET 1790-1800 m. Elizabeth Calhoun >and >Manning Shiver b. 1804, SC m. Sarah Love >are my earliest known Shiver ancestors. > These are also my two earliest known Shiver ancestors except by different children. Fleming had a son John Shiver that married Manning's daughter Mary Shiver. They had a son Jesse Monroe Shiver who married Maude Branch. Their son Jesse Clifford Shiver married Allie Mae Williams. Their son Otis Clifford Shiver married Edna Marion Nelson. I'm their son. Please excuse the lack of dates, but I just moved to a new home and all my genealogy material is packed up. Farrell Clifford Shiver