One other thing (I just noticed it!).... Anna - What proof do you have that Fleming and Manning were brothers? Was it Fleming's estate administration? I believe as you do that Manning, Fleming (and Ransom and Enoch) were most likely brothers, as they seem to be wrapped up extensively in each other's business, but I don't have any real solid documentation of that. Do you? Also, who do you believe to be the father of these boys? I know I have seen it around (and at one time speculated myself) that it was John, son of John & Hannah, but I have revised that theory in favor of James (though I haven't had the guts to enter it into the computer that way yet! <vbg>). Lyrice found (and I have since studied it as well) a newspaper article stating that Enoch (this is Lyrice's and my line) applied for letters of administration on the estate of James in Dooly Co. in 1831. A man named Alfred applied for the same on the estate of John. If Enoch was John's oldest son (and he would have been considerably older than Alfred who from what I could see was barely 18), then why would he apply for LOA for his uncle? Doesn't make sense to me... It also appears that there were two Alfreds, both about the same age, and both with wives named Sarah. One in Lee Co., GA and the other in Dale Co., AL at the same time in the census. Children have similar but different names... Anyone know the relationship there or whose children they were? I speculate the one in AL was John's son all right, as in 1850 Dale Co. census John's widow, Lydia is living with him. OK, OK, I'll quit with all the questions... Everybody feel free to jump in anytime! :-) Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/