Hi, everyone. Our line descends from Abner Bartlet Shiver, who, we think, is a son of Jacob, son of John and Hannah (Clemons) Shiver. 1. James Louis Shiver m 12 Dec 1957 Shirley Faye Turner, dau of Paul Thomas & Hallie Susan (Goodman) Turner. 2. Louis James Shiver (b 1888) m 28 Dec 1920 Bertha Lillian Dunn (b 1905)dau of William James and Cora Jane (Bell) Dunn. 3. A. Marion Shiver (b 1854) m 23 Dec 1884 Mary/Mollie King (b 1859) dau of William R. and Siby Ann King 4. Abner Bartlet Shiver (b 1819) m 20 Jun 1841 Mary Johnson (b 1826) dau of William F. and Elizabeth Johnson IF we are correct in naming Abner as a son of Jacob, son of John and Hannah, I believe it was by a reported "unknown" wife. Abner's bible records the birth and parentage of a Mary Johnson (NOT the Mary Johnson he married) as such: Mary Johnson (b 7 Apr 1789) dau of Rheuben and Lamender Johnson. This Mary's age is right to be Abner's mother, and, Abner named one of his daughters Lamender. Shirley Turner Shiver