Maggie, I think I'm gona have to push this one up to Shirley. I do have a couple of question though that might help us link up to the Abner listed on the death Cert. Do you know where she is Buried? Was she ever married to a "Jackson"? Shirley, Could this be the daughter of Jarrett L. and Elizabeth? If so, the Abner that is listed as her father could actually be her brother Abner or her Uncle Abner (our AB). The problem I have with this is that Jarrett lived another 40 years after her birth. Why would she leave home other than marriage? I don't have much at all on Abner son of Jarrett. Was he handy capped or injured in some way that he would need some one to live with him for assistance? Could she have been "staying" at his house to help out? If so, then her son may have just "thought" he was her father or place him as her father since that is who was raising her at the time of their marriage. I know it's not much, but that's about all I have from the Alabama line. One thing about these Shiver people. They sure seem to go out of their way to take care of family (or get rid of them :-)). You can't go by the census, they moved in and out of each others homes too much. One thing I noticed about the death info is that he could remember the father but not the mother. This seems strange to me and that's what leads me to believe he was a different relation. Did Abner, son of Jarrett ever marry? This would account for not know who her mother was. Maggie, now that you have the birth cert. you may want to take that date and contact the historical society and news papers of the area. This could turn up some interesting obit. information that would shed a little more light (information could have been provided by someone other than the son giving a different perspective). I don't see her listed anywhere in Abners' (Abner Bartlet) family bible and there just are not that many Abner Shiver's listed during this time frame for Alabama. The relationship is the key! Now that I have stuck my thoughts out on an limb.... anyone else out there got ideas to look for? Jim ps. How is that for just a "couple of questions" before I pass the buck :-) > > SHIVER-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 58 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [SHIVER-L] Death Certificate: Sara [MRipke@aol.com] > > Subject: [SHIVER-L] Death Certificate: Sarah Jane Shiver Collins > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:24:33 EDT > From: MRipke@aol.com > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > Everyone, > > I have received the death certificate for my great grandmother - anyone have > any thoughts or comments on the person listed as her father. > > Certificate Issued - 1935 # 9681 > Alabama, County of Pike beat #14 > Troy, Alabama RFD 5 > Sarah J Collins, female, white, widowed, housewife > date of birth Aug 1851 - 84 years > place of birth - Dale Co, Ala > father - Abner Shiver > his place of birth - don't know > mother - don't know > her place of birth - don't know > Informant - William Collins Troy, Ala RFD # 5 > Date of Death - 4/17/1935 2pm > ______________________ > > ~The informant was her son William Collins b. 2/1876 d. 1936 > ~Her father's name Abner - I take to be Abner - the N is not clear > ~If the father is Abner any thoughts on who the mother might be > > Any thoughts, comments or suggestion will be appreciated. > Thanks, > Maggie > > >