This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6E8545E21344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I'm as confused as the poor lady who wrote the letter; but, here goes. The Shiver branch she is refering to has to be family of Jacob (3), son of Jacob (2), son of John & Hannah. They were in Montgomery County, TX. Some of them stayed in TX, and some went back to AL around Dothan. (See attached descendancy chart -- I would appreciate any corrections and/or additions). The family of Jacob b abt 1815 and 2nd wife Catherine M. Cooper fits the names she mentions in the 1st paragraph, i.e. "Millie" (I have her as Permelean - census records her as Melia; "Duck" has to be Dorcus Emaline; "Kate" is Catherine Frances. I'm not sure who she means by "Elizabeth". The 1860 census lists Catherine at age 28 with Melia, 11; Samuel, 10; John, 7; Catherine F, & Mary A.L. 3; and a Joseph Hooper age 18 from GA. Jacob b abt 1815 is not listed in this census. I always thought he died, but maybe he up and went to Texas! "-) I have no reference to Thomas Jefferson Shiver in my data bank. I do have a John Thomas "Brack" b 6 Dec 1865 in Coffee Co AL; and his son, Francis Marion b 29 Feb 1886. GOT to members of the same family, perhaps nephews and/or cousins. --------------6E8545E21344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Shi" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Shi" DESCENDANCY CHART FOR JACOB SHIVER - SHIVER.PAF 15 Feb 1999 Page 1 of 4 ============================================================ Name (Birth/Chr.-Death/Burial) Birth/Chr. Place -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-- Jacob Shiver (1789-1825) ,South Carolina sp-Sara (1792-1850) South Carolina 2-- Infant Shiver (1811-1811) 2-- Nicholas Shiver (1813- ) Camden,Kershaw County,South Carolina sp-Frances (1820- ) Georgia 3-- Elizabeth Shiver (1835- ) ,Alabama 3-- John Shiver (1838- ) ,Alabama 3-- Mary Shiver (1842- ) ,Alabama 3-- Susan Shiver [twin] (1851- ) Coffee County,ALabama 3-- Martha Shiver [twin] (1851- ) 2-- Samuel James Augustus Shiver (1819-1912) ,Pike County,Alabama sp-Sarah Jane Prestwood (1828-1896) ,Wilkinson County,Georgia 3-- Susanah E. "Susie" Shiver (1844-1910) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Young S. Sorrells (1849-1902) ,Georgia 4-- Janie Elizabeth Sorrells (1879-1910) sp-George Franklin Willoughby ( - ) 3-- Jacob R. "Jake" Shiver (1848- ) ,Coffee County,Alabama 3-- Abram T. "Abe" Shiver (1850-1904) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Sarah Snellgrove (1858- ) ,Alabama 4-- Mattie Shiver (1883- ) ,Alabama sp-Roy Hart Norris ( - ) 4-- Loucrittie Shiver (1888- ) ,Alabama 3-- Martha W. "Mattie" Shiver (1853-1930) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-John A. "Jack" Chancy ( - ) 4-- John Chancy (1860- ) sp-Donnie Miller ( - ) 4-- Sarah Chancy (1873- ) Dale County,Alabama sp-George W. Medley (1866- ) Dale County,Albama 4-- Susie Chancy ( - ) sp-Tillman Parrish ( - ) 4-- Lula Chancy ( - ) sp-H. A. Moring ( - ) 4-- Samuel C. Chancy (1872-1914) Dale County,Alabama sp-Lula A. Smith (1877-1944) Dale County,Alabama 4-- Margaret A. Chancy (1875-1897) sp-J. G. Moring ( - ) sp-Charlie Thrower (1858-1939) Dale County,Alabama 4-- Susie Thrower (1882-1966) sp-Tillman Parrish ( - ) 4-- Benjamin F. Thrower [Dr.] (1884-1950) sp-Lillian Payne ( - ) 4-- Abe Thrower (1885-1902) 4-- Oscar Thrower (1893-1978) sp-Zenebia "Novie" Bottoms ( - ) sp-Martha Smith ( - ) 3-- Mary T. "Critt" Shiver (1855- ) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Robert "Bob" Chancey (1850- ) 3-- Darcus "Molly" Shiver (1857- ) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Gus Hutchinson ( - ) 3-- A. L. "Nat" Shiver (1859- ) ,Coffee County,Alabama 3-- Samuel Augustus "Gus" Shiver (1863-1922) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Mary Annie Johnson (1860-1924) Coffee County,Alabama 4-- Sarah Shiver (1880-1961) Coffee County,Alabama sp-Martin Van Buren "Bab" Griswold (1871-1965) New Hope,Coffee County,Alabama DESCENDANCY CHART FOR JACOB SHIVER - SHIVER.PAF 15 Feb 1999 Page 2 of 4 ============================================================ Name (Birth/Chr.-Death/Burial) Birth/Chr. Place -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-- Samuel Shiver (1884-1895) 4-- James Ervin "Jim" Shiver (1886-1958) sp-Lilla Shiver (1893-1964) New Caney,Montgomery County,Texas 4-- Minnie Lee Shiver (1890-1944) sp-John Freeman Lewis ( - ) 4-- John Shiver (1891-1966) sp-Ethel Lucile Fuller (1897-1976) ,Coffee County,Alabama 4-- Emma Catherine Shiver (1893-1967) sp-Charley Wood ( - ) sp-Jasper Grant ( - ) sp-Wiley Turner ( - ) sp-Charley Allen ( - ) 4-- Henry Grady Shiver (1897-1970) Alabama sp-Cleone Prestwood (1901-1950) sp-Lucile B. ( - ) 4-- Infant Shiver (1899-1899) 3-- John Thomas "Brack" Shiver (1865-1906) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Dora Ann "Lena" Milstead (1879-1904) 4-- Frances Marion Shiver (1886-1910) ,Alabama 4-- William Thomas Shiver (1888-1956) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Willie Mae Jennings (1897-1977) 4-- Lonie Shiver (1891-1920) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-John Myers ( - ) 4-- Lilla Shiver (1893-1964) New Caney,Montgomery County,Texas sp-James Ervin "Jim" Shiver (1886-1958) 4-- Samuel Shiver (1895-1896) 4-- Vera Shiver (1896-1982) New Caney,Montgomery County,Texas sp-Alto L. Bell (1892-1982) 4-- Ethel Shiver (1899-1935) New Caney,Montgomery County,Texas sp-Harvey Lott (1895-1978) Coffee County,Alabama 4-- Lena Missouri "Dude" Shiver (1903- ) New Caney,Montgomery County,Texas sp-Donnie Edwin Cain [Sr] (1900-1992) Alabama 3-- Sarah Frances Ann Caladonia Shiver (1870-1945) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Ruben Guy Wilson ( - ) 4-- Almer "Bunch" Wilson (1886-1963) sp-Ellen Helms ( - ) 4-- James Wilson (1889-1957) sp-Nettie Halford ( - ) 4-- Vera Wilson ( - ) sp-Richard Ernest Weeks ( - ) 4-- Leila Lucile Wilson (1897-1955) sp-Cleveland Orlando Wilkinson ( - ) 4-- Horace Wilson (1899-1976) sp-Dove Thomley ( - ) 4-- Samuel Wilson (1902-1905) 4-- Roscoe Wilson (1906-1981) sp-Effie ( - ) 4-- Thomas Wilson (1908-1974) sp-Nora Thomley ( - ) 4-- Duncan Wilson (1912-1980) sp-Dicey Ann (1847- ) Georgia sp-Lucy "Puss" Batchelor ( - ) 2-- Jacob Shiver (1815-1850) Kershaw,Camden County,South Carolina sp-Unknown ( - ) DESCENDANCY CHART FOR JACOB SHIVER - SHIVER.PAF 15 Feb 1999 Page 3 of 4 ============================================================ Name (Birth/Chr.-Death/Burial) Birth/Chr. Place -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3-- Sarah Shiver (1837-1909) sp-John W. --ing (1827-1904) 3-- Gilley Shiver ( - ) sp-Catherine M. Cooper (1820-1927) 3-- Permelean Shiver (1849- ) Coffee County,Alabama sp-Bill or Bud Norton ( - ) 3-- Samuel Shiver (1850- ) ,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Anna John ( - ) 3-- T. John Shiver (1853- ) Coffee County,Alabama 3-- Catherine Frances Shiver (1857- ) Coffee County,Alabama sp-Samuel Strickland ( - ) 3-- Mary A. L. Shiver (1857-1932) Coffee County,Alabama sp-John Gilbert Hall (1850-1919) Coffee County,Alabama 4-- Davis Hall (1877- ) 4-- Missouri Hall (1880- ) 4-- John Thomas Hall (1881-1940) Coffee County,Alabama sp-Melissa Dorcas Maloy (1883-1938) Brantley,Crenshaw County,Alabama 4-- Charles William Hall (1884- ) 4-- Jacob T. Hall (1887- ) 4-- James Marion Hall (1890- ) 4-- Gilbert E. Hall (1893- ) 4-- Nola Hall (1896- ) 3-- Dorcus Emaline Shiver ( - ) sp-Barry Arnette ( - ) 2-- Gilly Shiver (1818-1863) ,Wilkinson County,Georgia sp-Terry Prestwood (1800-1863) ,Georgia 3-- Harmon Prestwood (1845-1867) ,Alabama 3-- Lucinda Prestwood (1845-1864) ,Alabama 3-- John Prestwood (1851- ) ,Alabama 3-- Harriett Prestwood (1854- ) ,Alabama 3-- James Prestwood (1857- ) ,Alabama 3-- Elizabeth Prestwood (1859- ) ,Alabama 3-- Thomas Prestwood ( - ) 3-- Kate Prestwood ( - ) 3-- Francis Marion "General" Preswood (1846- ) ,Alabama sp-Georgia (1849- ) ,Alabama 4-- John Preswood (1869- ) ,Alabama 4-- George Prestwood (1881- ) Coffee County,Albama 4-- Farley Prestwood (1883- ) Coffee County,Albama 4-- Emma Prestwood (1885- ) Coffee County,Albama 4-- Henry Prestwood (1888- ) Coffee County,Albama 4-- Andrew Prestwood (1893- ) Coffee County,Albama 2-- Abraham Shiver (1819-1894) ,South Carolina sp-Lumenda or Minda Johnson (1831- ) ,Alabama 3-- Minder Shiver (1840- ) Alabama 3-- Betty Shiver (1853- ) ,Alabama 3-- Polly Shiver ( - ) 3-- Nicholas Shiver ( - ) 3-- Sarah Shiver (1855- ) ,Alabama 3-- William M. Shiver (1862-1946) Victoria,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Lucrecy Jane Ethridge (1860-1942) 4-- William Thomas Shiver (1888-1963) Victoria,Coffee County,Alabama sp-Mary Etta Gates ( - ) 2-- Infant Shiver (1821-1821) DESCENDANCY CHART FOR JACOB SHIVER - SHIVER.PAF 15 Feb 1999 Page 4 of 4 ============================================================ Name (Birth/Chr.-Death/Burial) Birth/Chr. Place -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-- Mary Shiver (1823- ) ,Pike County,Alabama sp-Chapman Motley (1811-1839) ,South Carolina 3-- Sarah Ann Motley (1840- ) ,Alabama 3-- Napolean Motley (1842- ) ,Alabama 3-- Francis M. Motley (1844- ) ,Alabama 3-- Columbus Motley (1846- ) ,Alabama 3-- Emily Motley (1848- ) ,Alabama 3-- Henry H. Motley (1850- ) ,Alabama 3-- Mary J. Motley (1852- ) ,Alabama 3-- Susan Motley (1854- ) ,Alabama 3-- Chitty M. Motley (1856- ) ,Alabama 2-- Elizabeth Shiver (1828-1906) ,Georgia sp-Henry Snellgrove ( - ) 3-- Sarah Snellgrove (1858- ) ,Alabama sp-Abram T. "Abe" Shiver (1850-1904) ,Coffee County,Alabama *** SEE PAGE 1 FOR CHILDREN *** 3-- Abe Snellgrove ( - ) --------------6E8545E21344--