Anybody who can, please take a stab at this one. Land Grant to David Shiver, Commonwealth of Virginia dated 11 August 1786! David Shiver 1000 and Sixteen Patrick Henry Esquire Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia, To all to whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, that by Virtue and in consideration of a presumption Treasury Warrant Number eight hundred and fourteen issued the twenty-sixth Day of April One thousand seven hundred and eighty there is granted by the said commonwealth unto David Shiver (Esq.?) of Jacob Myers who was assignee of James Carroll certain tract or parcel of Land, containing one thousand acres by Survey bearing date the Twentieth Day of August one Thousand seven hundred and eighty four Lying and being in the County of Lincoln on the Waters of Benson Creek and bounded as followeth (to wit) Beginning at two Hickories running thence North ten degrees West three hundred and fifty six poles to an Ash Dogwood & Hickory thence South eighty degrees West four hundred feet, nine and a half to two Sugar trees and a Hickory thence South ten degrees East three hundred and fifty six poles to two Sugar trees then North eighty degrees East west four hundred feet and a ??? to two sugar trees and a hickory then south ten degrees east three hundred and fifty poles to two sugar trees then north eighty degrees east four hundred forty nine and a half to the Beginning with the appurtenances, to have and to hold the said tract or parcel of Land, with its appurtenances, to the said David Shiver and his Heirs for ever. In witness whereof the said Patrick Henry Esquire Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia, hath hereunto set his hand and consent the ???? Seal of the said commonwealth to be affixed at Richmond, on the Fourteenth Day of August in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty six and of the Commonwealth the Eleventh. I am sure all those sugar trees are long gone but this is 30 years after our John WM Shiver is supposed to have landed in Philadelphia. Virginia is on the way to SC but I have no idea where Benson Creek is. I have been told the John also received land grants in Ohio and sold them sight unseen. Could this David have done the same with his land? Could he also be part of our puzzle? I assume this to be a Rev. War grant also. This one goes way beyond my experience and in fact I had him filed as a SHIVERS and not shiver. It wasn't until I started talking to Glydie Nelson that I pulled it back out to send her a copy of the original that I noticed the mistake. My copy date on this thing is 14 Dec 97 and I don't know why I never posted it before even if it was a Shivers given all the unknowns we have out there. I have this document scanned as JPG files for anyone else who thinks they want to try and tackle this sucker! I guess bottom line is .... HELP .... I am really stuck! Jim ps, Mary, you should recognize this because I think we discussed it when I first started this early stuff.