Hi Gang, I know its Christmas and everyone is busy but I ran across something that I would like to run by you! As you all know, I have long supported the THEORY that Enoch, Manning, Ransom, and Fleming were brothers and I THINK sons of James, son of J/H. Well I ran across something the other day that also pointed in this direction; In book, "The Asa Joiner Family of Mitchell County, Georgia," written by A.H. Clark in 1967, in the article about Manning (Dow) Shiver and Elizabeth Joiner Shiver, Mr. Clark stated that Arksansas Shiver married Marshall Shiver a second Cousin. He also states that William Alfred Shiver married second Effie Shiver, a second Cousin. They would be second cousins if Fleming and Manning Were brothers!!! Fleming had Henry Fleming who had Marshall. Manning had Dow who had Arksansas - thus Arksansas and Marshall were second cousins in this manner. Effie was a little off - I believe she was actually William second cousin one removed. Fleming to Henry Fleming to Shack to Effie Manning to Dow to William Alfred (William and Shack would be second cousins) This book was written in 1967 and so 33 years ago someone was thinking that (at least) Fleming and Manning were brothers!! I just noticed this and thought that I would pass this along to you all. I believe that this is just another little bit of "proof" that lends itself to my theory that these four boys were brothers. Happy Holidays to all, Lyrice