Gail Moore wrote me earlier and asked how to access the archives for the SHIVER-L list. I'm not honestly sure how far back it goes, but here's the URL for one of the many apparent types of search engines for these mailing lists: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Just type in SHIVER into the mailing list field, and it will bring up another screen with a field for typing in whatever surname or combination of names you are searching for! Good luck! Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/