About a month ago I went to Lake Eufaula, Ala to appraise some property. When they couple who lived there heard that my name is Shiver, the lady went inside and came back out with a large, old family Bible, that of Ruby Shiver. The man's name was Louis Harris, who was orginally from Homasassa, Fla and most of the people listed in the Bible were from there also. I was in a hurry and didn' t have time to copy all the data but some of it was; Cleo Shiver, Ennis Shiver, Ruby Shiver, 1903-1989 (Grandmother of Mr Harris), Rhetta Shiver (Bertha?), Leo Shiver, Joel Q Shiver, born 1878. This data can be found on page 272 of Drexel Shiver's book. Mr and Mrs Harris would be happy to provide more data to anyone interested. I will be happy to give their address to anyone so inclined. We are not all dead but all lulled by baseball, war, basketball, etc. For those of in northern areas, I have about gotten my garden planted!!!