Hello John and everyone: I live in Atlanta, Georgia. My grandparents Byron Charles and Virginia Hughes Shiver moved up to Atlanta in the 40's. Granddaddy grew up in Grady county and my grandmother was from Funston/Moultrie. It does appear that Manning's father is a big mystery. It is my understanding that Manning, Enoch, Flemming, and Ransom are brothers. Has anyone found proof of that? Interestingly enough we have a Ransom in our branch of the family, but he is only in his early 20's. It's funny how family names keep popping up. Sherri L. Shiver Holder Holder@smithandradigan.com