Glad to have you with us Shivers. Where you live? One of our great mysteries, which I am anxious for someone to solve, is who was the father of Manning Shiver? We have a lot of guesses but no concrete proof. Many of us are from one of the brothers of Manning, and we are lost in the wilderness, waiting for someone to lead us out! I am from the line of Ransom, brother of Manning. Another brother, Enoch, has a passel of descendants, and I have been hoping that one of them will soon have a breakthrough.