Maggie: I can't remember if I've responded to this, but, just in case I didn't, here it is. Could the "Abner" in your query possibly be "Abram?" If so, I think this might be his family. Regards, Shirley Turner Shiver CENSUS NOTES: US Census Alabama, Dale County, Haw Ridge; 6 Sep 1860; page 937-A 12 1254/1254 Abram Shiver 41/M/W Farmer $400/$300 S.C. can't read/write 13 Lumenda " 29/F/W Ala can't read/write 14 Betty " 7/F/W Ala 15 Sarah " 5/F/W Ala Jim and Connie Swailes wrote: > Maggie, > > I think I'm gona have to push this one up to Shirley. I do have a couple of question > though that might help us link up to the Abner listed on the death Cert. Do you know where > she is Buried? Was she ever married to a "Jackson"? Shirley, Could this be the daughter > of Jarrett L. and Elizabeth? If so, the Abner that is listed as her father could actually > be her brother Abner or her Uncle Abner (our AB). The problem I have with this is that > Jarrett lived another 40 years after her birth. Why would she leave home other than > marriage? I don't have much at all on Abner son of Jarrett. Was he handy capped or > injured in some way that he would need some one to live with him for assistance? Could she > have been "staying" at his house to help out? If so, then her son may have just "thought" > he was her father or place him as her father since that is who was raising her at the time > of their marriage. I know it's not much, but that's about all I have from the Alabama > line. One thing about these Shiver people. They sure seem to go out of their way to take > care of family (or get rid of them :-)). You can't go by the census, they moved in and out > of each others homes too much. One thing I noticed about the death info is that he could > remember the father but not the mother. This seems strange to me and that's what leads me > to believe he was a different relation. Did Abner, son of Jarrett ever marry? This would > account for not know who her mother was. Maggie, now that you have the birth cert. you may > want to take that date and contact the historical society and news papers of the area. > This could turn up some interesting obit. information that would shed a little more light > (information could have been provided by someone other than the son giving a different > perspective). I don't see her listed anywhere in Abners' (Abner Bartlet) family bible and > there just are not that many Abner Shiver's listed during this time frame for Alabama. The > relationship is the key! Now that I have stuck my thoughts out on an limb.... anyone else > out there got ideas to look for? > > Jim > > ps. How is that for just a "couple of questions" before I pass the buck :-) > > > > > SHIVER-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 58 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 [SHIVER-L] Death Certificate: Sara [MRipke@aol.com] > > > > Subject: [SHIVER-L] Death Certificate: Sarah Jane Shiver Collins > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:24:33 EDT > > From: MRipke@aol.com > > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Everyone, > > > > I have received the death certificate for my great grandmother - anyone have > > any thoughts or comments on the person listed as her father. > > > > Certificate Issued - 1935 # 9681 > > Alabama, County of Pike beat #14 > > Troy, Alabama RFD 5 > > Sarah J Collins, female, white, widowed, housewife > > date of birth Aug 1851 - 84 years > > place of birth - Dale Co, Ala > > father - Abner Shiver > > his place of birth - don't know > > mother - don't know > > her place of birth - don't know > > Informant - William Collins Troy, Ala RFD # 5 > > Date of Death - 4/17/1935 2pm > > ______________________ > > > > ~The informant was her son William Collins b. 2/1876 d. 1936 > > ~Her father's name Abner - I take to be Abner - the N is not clear > > ~If the father is Abner any thoughts on who the mother might be > > > > Any thoughts, comments or suggestion will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Maggie > > > > > >