Hello everyone, I'd like to take a minute and introduce John and Bert Shiver, who have recently joined our ranks. They are descendants of Enoch Shiver (Lyrice, I found some more! <vbg>) through his son Ransom Shiver and Lydia A. Sullivan. Their line follows down through Ransom's son Henry Solomon Shiver, who married (1) Sarah Shiver -- dau. of Anthony Shiver and Marinda Tolar and (2) Annie Hall. They descend through the second marriage. Neither of these gentlemen knew much about their Shiver heritage prior to sending me an e-mail query about a week or so ago. I've filled them in on what we know so far and would invite you all (especially those of you descended from Enoch or Manning --yep, they are descended through Manning too through his daughter Rebecca Jane who md. William Manning Sullivan) to make them feel welcome to our group! I'm still working on the Lonnie Eugene Shiver mystery and am hoping to have that solved by the end of this week. A little census work ought to help with that one. Be watching the web site in the next few months for a considerable number of updates. I have cut back on a considerable number of commitments lately to make more time for my family (living and dead!), and am starting to seem some progress and perhaps a faint (very!) light at the end of the tunnel. I'm working to enter all my data (and it is a LOT) into my genealogy program so that I can then use that to update the web site. As Jim Swailes knows first hand, I have quite a bit of census data that I haven't had time to transcribe (and which he would LOVE to have! <g>). I'm anxious to get it all out to you on the site. I have received pictures from some of you of your ancestors, and if there are others of you out there that have pictures and you have the ability to scan them, please do so and send them to me via e-mail. I intend to start getting these up on the web site as well. Take care! Hope you all have a wonderful week! Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs