This is for Mary. As I was doing my annual cleanup around my desk, of things that I have saved, as far back as 1998, I found this address: Mr and Mrs William Seagrave 1743 Lauren Avenue Auburn, AL 36830-7653 seagraves@auburn.campus.mci/net This was the lady who mentioned about Shiver-Calhoun in SC. It was interesting as I saw somewhere here in the past few weeks, a Myrtle Shiver, born 1902. My dad's name is also Myrtle and I asked him if he had ever heard of this other one. He said that she was his uncle Loyd's brother Enoch's daughter and that she was red headed. He will be 85 6 Jan. He also said that everytime they started out to church at Cool Springs, that they would stop by Enoch's house and stay and stay and stay. Enoch was the one who was the toughest man in Mitchell County. One day a newcomer came into the area and insisted that he was tougher than Enoch, and provoked him into a fight. He was tough and was getting the best of Enoch, so Enoch ended up shooting him and killing him. He went down in NW Fla on the Ecofina Creek/River and worked for awhile until the incident blew over and he was allowed to come back to Camilla area. My grandad went with him and stayed with him in what was then a swampy area. There was a black family in Camilla area named Bigham. The man got into some trouble so uncle Loyd loaded his belongings on a freight train and sent him to SE Alabama. His descendants still live in the area today, and when uncle Loyd would come over to visit, then he would check on that family. Uncle Loyd was was of those snuff dippers that chewed up a peachtree twig, into a small brush, then would doodle it around in the snuff and then put it in his mouth and work on it. In his house, the living room had beds, so he would sit in front of the fire in a rocking chair, with his brogans near the fire, and when he finally spit that concoction, the fire would smoke and nearyl extinguish. That was in contradiction to myother kin that would take that Railroad snuff and put a pinch under the bottom lip. Black woman used to work for us and would take a dip, smile, and say, "Johnny, Johnny, when you dip Navy, you spit ham gravy!"