I know some people in Dothan, whose father was a John Shiver. There are at least two sisters, and about 6 years ago, I appraised one of their homes and got into a conversation and found out who her father was. I can't think of her or her sister's married names. The third sister is ShaNah Shiver Martin, whose husband died about 3 years ago. Last I heard, she was a guidance counselor in Cottonwood H.S.