Well the first letter resulted in a lot of activity so here is another. By, the way, on this January 16, 2000, in lower Alabama, it is about 70 degrees and sunny. Oct 18, 1984 I have come across some-thing that I thought might be enteresting to you. Some few days back I was viewing some Georgia marriage records, and I found in Hancock County Georgia a marriage record dated July 11, 1838 to Fabian Shiver and Angeline Brown. I was also looking at the Dale County cesus records of 1870, and I found that on that date Angelines Mother Violette Brown was living with Fabian. I remember you stating that Noah S. mother died, and he was raised by the Bloudsworth family, and the records show that he was indeed raised by Milton and Carolett Bloudwirth. (Don't remember giving him this data - must have been someone else!) So, I believe Charolett must have been a sister also to Fabian. I also found a Charolett Shiver living with Abijia and Sarah Payne. So, if I can tie all this together. I believe Fabians father and mother was Abijah and Charolette Shiver. Abijah was a son of Jacob, Sr. and Dorcas Shiver. D.E. Cain, Sr. Here is another letter from another Shiver researcher, dated January 26, 1991. Dear John, Thanks very much for the letter and information. A little background: We lived in Ozark for seven years. I met your sister who worked for Dr. Lee. (My first cousin, who still works for him.) We visited you parents in Ashford and attended Shiver reunion in Pelham, GA. We have lived here for 5 1/2 years. S.A. Dewberry P.O. Box 144 Riverdale, GA 30274, tel: 996-7548 Note: I lived in Riverdale 1979-1983 and just missed them. Sid sent me several items of Shiver data over the years. Continued -- This man was doing Shiver research for someone and called my husband for information. Promised us a copy, but never sent it. He said Mr. Cain's research was inaccurate, because he though Jr. meant son of. I am sending Mr. Cain's letters to either help of confuse you. Noah (Col Noah Shiver) who I call Bob, retired from AF after 21 years and went into furniture business in Montgomery. Sold out after 11 years adn got is Realty Brokers License. He is now completely retired and 70 years (but very healthy and active). We hope to attend the Shiver reunion in October. Thank you very much for your help. Sarah Shiver I also have a letter or two from her brother, Noah, which I will later put up for your perusal.