In a message dated 01/11/2000 8:31:22 AM Central Standard Time, shirleyt@bellsouth.net writes: << Are you related to the Shiver group around New Caney? The reason I ask, is, it's just a small >> I don't know. I've talked to some Shivers but haven't found any that knew or were interested in family history. My Great Grand Father lived in Alabama. I haven't gotten past him. I have been in contact with some of his grandchildren in Dothan but they don't know anything about him other than the fact that he had 3 brother who died in the civil war and that he was in the civil war They don't know his brothers names So you use to live in Houston. We were almost neighbors. I live in Pasadena. You probably know where that is. My son lives inside the loop in Houston. I haven't been to Conroe's library. May check it out sometime. Mary