Clarksville Baptist Church, Demont Road: Shiver, Nellie Mae (Smith), born 3-13-1930, died 5-26-50 Shiver, Phyllis Marie (McDonald), born 9-16-1941 --- Was called to appraise home of Louie Shiver a couple of weeks ago. Guess what? He wasn't of our race. He wasn't home, but I told his wife, Girlie Shiver, that my family came from SW Georgia and would be interesting to know where his came from. You should have seen the look on her daughter's face when my son and I walked in and introduced ourself. The girl, seemed to be a teenager, gave her mom a very funny look! He must be well off as they have four sat dishes and several cars in yard! My Dad did tell me earlier this year (age 84), that his uncle, Loyd Shiver , in Camilla, had a black family that worked for him by name of Beacham, and one of them got in trouble over a cutting or something of that nature. So uncle Loyd loaded up his belongings and moved him and his family over to Houston County, AL to get him out of harm's way. That family, or their descendants still live in the Ashford area .

A friend sent this to me with the comment that with all these genealogy websites coming online, we may just dethrone porn as the #1 activity on the internet! ;-) I thought I'd pass this on for those of you who might have Ellis Island ancestors or who might help those that do! Now, how patient are you? <vbg> ********************** Genealogy.com and Discover(R) Card Sponsor New Web Site to Make Ellis Island Immigration Data Available Online Web Site Will Complement American Family Immigration History Center(TM) To Be Located at Ellis Island NEW YORK, Nov. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc. today announced that Genealogy.com and Discover(R) Card are sponsoring the development of a first-of-its-kind new Web site geared to help individuals learn more about their ancestors who immigrated to the United States through Ellis Island. This Web site, which will go live in 2001, will complement the eagerly-awaited family history research facility to be located at Ellis Island: The American Family Immigration History Center(TM). In October 1998 the Foundation, working in cooperation with the National Park Service, unveiled the plans for the Immigration History Center, which represents a huge milestone for family history enthusiasts and the estimated 40 percent of today's U.S. population whose ancestors came through Ellis Island. Today, Foundation president and CEO Stephen Briganti announced the $22.5 million project had been expanded to also provide access to data, relating to immigrants who came through Ellis Island, to millions of people across the country and around the world via the Internet. Visitors to both the new Web site and the Immigration History Center will be able to easily access information about their immigrant ancestors via a state-of-the-art interactive database. 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ST: New York; California IN: PUB MLM SU: PDT 11/11/1999 08:30 EST http://www.prnewswire.com Jeannine/Pittsburgh <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/johnsonroots/index.html">JOHNSON Roots: Pages of Time</A> http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/johnsonroots/index.html -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Once again it appears that those with nothing better to do have struck. It looks like my days of reassuring people with "you can't get viruses by just opening your e-mail" are over! :-( For those of you computer gurus out there, you are probably already aware of this. If you run MS Outlook Express on anything but NT, it appears you had better be careful. This worm sounds like it could be pretty nasty... Here's an article on a patch that blocks the virus and gives more information if you are interested: http://www.looksmart.com/r?lt&iee&panel=news{day=Wed{cat=TopStories{art=wed/cn/Aseinfeld-computer-virus.R-ZR_9N9{colorAseinfeld-computer-virus.R-ZR_9N9=FFFFFF Take care! Mary K. -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Hey all (particularly you AL bunch!) - Check out this article on the LDS Church's effort to microfilm loose papers in Autauga Co., AL. It looks like it may expand statewide if they get a good response. Let's hope we can find some SHIVERs in there! :-) http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/Nov1999/8-e264827b.html Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Received this information on another List; thought I would pass is along to several of the Lists I read. Like the person who wrote the original message, I have called my local Wal-Mart to verify that this is real, before passing this message along. Leary Cox cox_family@msn.com > > >Subject: National Veteran's Wall > > > > > >>I just received word today that all Wal-Mart's nation wide are sponsoring a > >>National Veteran's Wall to be built in Washington D C. To promote this wall > >>they are offering a free 5x7 copy of your veteran's pictures. They will make > >>2 copies of the photograph, give you one and keep the other to display in an > >>in-store collage. After that, Wal-Mart will send their photographs to > >>Washington D C where it will be placed on a star on the National Veteran's wall. > >>The picture must be a veteran IN UNIFORM and you will need to supply the > >>following information: > >>Name of Veteran > >>Rank > >>Branch of Service > >>Dates of Service > >>Unit > >>This information will be included on the star that contains the > photograph. > >I > >>think this is a great idea and hope that all of you veteran's out there > >will > >>take advantage of this offer and take your place of honor on this wall. > >Also, > >>they are including pictures of Civil War veterans so start digging in > those > >>closets and boxes for your family veteran's. > >>Please don't send me questions but check with your local Wal-Mart if you > >need > >>more details. I did call my local Wal-Mart to verify this promotion amd > >>received confirmation. I asked if this was being done nation wide and they > >>said as long as they have a photo-lab at the store this offer is vaild. > The > >>deadline is Nov 11 so don't wait too long. > >> > >>The above e-mail was sent to me about a National Veteran's Wall. If you > >are > >>interested, check it out at a Wal-Mart in your area. > >Jan > > > >

I just got all the electronic images for the Dale and Coffee county 1870 Census if any one needs some info. This thing is NOT indexed! If you need a lookup, just let me know. Now, can anyone identify this person. SHIVER, NANCY, Age 48, Female, White, Keeps House, Born SC, Can't read or write ELIZA, Age 23, Female, White, At Home, Born Alabama, Can't read or write ELENOR (hard to read), Age 19, Female, White, At Home, Born Alabama, Can't read or write AMANDA, Age 13, Female, White, At Home, Born Alabama, Can't read or write S. A., Age 11, Female, White, At Home, Born Alabama, Can't read or write THOMAS, Age 9, Female, White, At Home, Born Alabam I have tried to locate these people in the 1850 and 1860 with no luck. Any help would be appreciated Jim

I am James E Shivers Son of Eugene Edward Shivers Son of Harry Franklin Shivers Son of Roderick Theophilus Shivers Married to Olivia King Born 1849 Son of Shadrach Shivers - Married 1844 to Mip Louisa Redditt Born ? Brother to William James Shivers Married to Cynthia Redditt Born in Scotland Neck,Halifax County NC Son of ???? Son of ???? Above information taken from my family bible. There is a Shadrack "k" listed as Justice of the peace and witness to deed transfers with Rebeka Shivers. Shadrack is also the son of Jesse Shivers Sr , Grandson of Jonas and this Shadrack died in 1830. Location unknown. on 11/21/1830 Pitt County NC appraisal of estate ordered for purpose of establishing dower rights for widow, Sarah. Also Asa Shivers, Noxube County MS to recive all moneys due him from estate of father Shadrack Shivers and sister Margaret Shivers. 1820 Census Pitt County shows Shadrack Shivers 3 males to 10 2 males 10-16,1 male 26-45 1 female to 10 1 female 16 to 26. with no names. Can someone fill in these names for me ? Shadrack Shivers Burial information would be nice if anyone has it. Location , Cemetary name. I have a very interesting link for the Shivers to look at. Http://home.mebtel.net/~shivers/newgenes.html I have most all of your missing information on the Shivers family's in a timeline. I have Bible's and Hard bound books about our family heritage everything a Shivers would want. With over 700 Names listed and thats only 25% of my material I still have 2 books to transcribe and around 15 huge files of gathered information from various Shivers lineage links. The hard bound information is information that i have not seen anywhere on the Internet yet !!!. It covers every state that the Shivers family was found in over 50 years ago.Either the Information overload is too much and i am missing it or i am truly missing a key person. Signed James Shivers Lost Shivers in North Carolina Shivers@mebtel.net

Jimmy - I'm fairly certain that the two girls living with Elijah and Nancy in the 1850 census are NOT his children. Here's my rationale. Daniel and Mentena SHIVER (Elijah's brother and Abraham SHIVER's sons) were living in Pulaski Co., GA in the 1830 census and they had five children, the youngest two named Louisa (Lewezer) and Mentena (Mentney), b. 1831 and 1833 (we know their names from Daniel and Elijah's father Abraham's will in 1844, which is on my web site), respectively. Daniel died in 1833 sometime as per his estate settlement in 1833 in Pulaski Co., and Mentena evidently died shortly thereafter (abt. 1835 or so). It's my considered opinion that Elijah and Nancy took in his youngest girls and took them to AL with them. Earlier census records are harder to sort out, since there is both an Elijah in Laurens Co., GA in 1830 and an Abijah/Alijah in Pulaski Co., GA in 1830. There are also several A. SHIVER(S) and one E. SHIVERS in the 1840 Pulaski Co., GA census. Any of these men could be your Elijah (you would not believe how I've seen that name butchered in the census!) I suspect the latter is Elijah's brother Abijah, but given the penchant census takers had for spelling names wrong, I can't confirm that. My assumption is that Elijah and Nancy's own children were grown and gone by the time 1850 rolled around. I know that they did have one daughter, Jane b. 1828 who md. Uriah BRACEWELL (probably in Dale Co., AL about 1846, but I have no proof of that), as they were both living with them in the 1860 Dale Co. census. Anyway, if there's anyone else out there that can contradict this with more evidence than I have, please be my guest! I've been working to try and sort out some of these children of Abraham's using census and other information and some of Drexel's research, and have been having a dickens of a time. Just remember that just because someone was listed in the same household in 1850, 1860 and 1870, it does NOT imply an immediate family type of relationship (though that's what I usually start with until I find evidence to the contrary or the ages don't match up or something). Specific familial relationships were not included in the census until 1880. Which of Elijah's children do you descend through? Do you have information on that line? I'd love to know what you know! :-) Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs

I just thought I should inform you that as of 1 Oct 1999, my e-mail address will change from <mkozy@ibm.net> to <mkozy@attglobal.net>. This is not my choice, but because IBM Internet Services sold out to AT&T Global (it was nice while it lasted! <g>), the domain name is going to change as of 1 Oct. So that gives you two whole days to get my address changed in your address book! ;-) Not really... Evidently, the ibm.net address will still be accepted for one year, but whenever I respond to an e-mail, my address will show up as the attglobal.net address. I just wanted you to know that it IS still me! :-) See ya around! Mary K. -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net Listowner of SHIVER-L, STARRHRY-L, WEGER-L, WINEMAN-L, GAMONROE-L, GADOUGHE-L, and ILLAWREN-L mailing lists My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs

Elijah Shiver and Nancy Shiver were living in Dale County Alabama in the 1850 Dale County Census.Does anyone out there know the names of all their children. I have the names listed on the 1850 census, but I think that there were maybe some older ones that had already left home. Thanks Jimmy From jsredtiger@aol.com

I received this query the other day. Is there anyone out there that can help this man? Please reply directly to him. Thanks! :-) *************** Do you have records of Chivers or Shivers living in Washington County, Georgia? I own part of Larkin Chivers property near Harrison, Washington County, GA. There are descendents living in Johnson County today. Billy E. Shurling 316 Michael Street Thomson, GA 30824 bshurling@thomson.net

Oops! Maybe I confused the issue. I'm cleaning out my files, and this was in response to an OLD message...sorry about that. Shirley Mary Kathryn Kozy wrote: > Maggie - > > I thought we had resolved (almost!) that your Sarah Jane was the > daughter of Alfred and Sarah of Dale County? My mind is fading, but I > had thought we had made a pretty good link, or has something come up > that changed your opinion? > > Mary Kathryn > -- > Mary Kathryn Kozy > mkozy@ibm.net > My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy > South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs

Maggie - I thought we had resolved (almost!) that your Sarah Jane was the daughter of Alfred and Sarah of Dale County? My mind is fading, but I had thought we had made a pretty good link, or has something come up that changed your opinion? Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs

Maggie: I can't remember if I've responded to this, but, just in case I didn't, here it is. Could the "Abner" in your query possibly be "Abram?" If so, I think this might be his family. Regards, Shirley Turner Shiver CENSUS NOTES: US Census Alabama, Dale County, Haw Ridge; 6 Sep 1860; page 937-A 12 1254/1254 Abram Shiver 41/M/W Farmer $400/$300 S.C. can't read/write 13 Lumenda " 29/F/W Ala can't read/write 14 Betty " 7/F/W Ala 15 Sarah " 5/F/W Ala Jim and Connie Swailes wrote: > Maggie, > > I think I'm gona have to push this one up to Shirley. I do have a couple of question > though that might help us link up to the Abner listed on the death Cert. Do you know where > she is Buried? Was she ever married to a "Jackson"? Shirley, Could this be the daughter > of Jarrett L. and Elizabeth? If so, the Abner that is listed as her father could actually > be her brother Abner or her Uncle Abner (our AB). The problem I have with this is that > Jarrett lived another 40 years after her birth. Why would she leave home other than > marriage? I don't have much at all on Abner son of Jarrett. Was he handy capped or > injured in some way that he would need some one to live with him for assistance? Could she > have been "staying" at his house to help out? If so, then her son may have just "thought" > he was her father or place him as her father since that is who was raising her at the time > of their marriage. I know it's not much, but that's about all I have from the Alabama > line. One thing about these Shiver people. They sure seem to go out of their way to take > care of family (or get rid of them :-)). You can't go by the census, they moved in and out > of each others homes too much. One thing I noticed about the death info is that he could > remember the father but not the mother. This seems strange to me and that's what leads me > to believe he was a different relation. Did Abner, son of Jarrett ever marry? This would > account for not know who her mother was. Maggie, now that you have the birth cert. you may > want to take that date and contact the historical society and news papers of the area. > This could turn up some interesting obit. information that would shed a little more light > (information could have been provided by someone other than the son giving a different > perspective). I don't see her listed anywhere in Abners' (Abner Bartlet) family bible and > there just are not that many Abner Shiver's listed during this time frame for Alabama. The > relationship is the key! Now that I have stuck my thoughts out on an limb.... anyone else > out there got ideas to look for? > > Jim > > ps. How is that for just a "couple of questions" before I pass the buck :-) > > > > > SHIVER-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 58 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 [SHIVER-L] Death Certificate: Sara [MRipke@aol.com] > > > > Subject: [SHIVER-L] Death Certificate: Sarah Jane Shiver Collins > > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:24:33 EDT > > From: MRipke@aol.com > > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Everyone, > > > > I have received the death certificate for my great grandmother - anyone have > > any thoughts or comments on the person listed as her father. > > > > Certificate Issued - 1935 # 9681 > > Alabama, County of Pike beat #14 > > Troy, Alabama RFD 5 > > Sarah J Collins, female, white, widowed, housewife > > date of birth Aug 1851 - 84 years > > place of birth - Dale Co, Ala > > father - Abner Shiver > > his place of birth - don't know > > mother - don't know > > her place of birth - don't know > > Informant - William Collins Troy, Ala RFD # 5 > > Date of Death - 4/17/1935 2pm > > ______________________ > > > > ~The informant was her son William Collins b. 2/1876 d. 1936 > > ~Her father's name Abner - I take to be Abner - the N is not clear > > ~If the father is Abner any thoughts on who the mother might be > > > > Any thoughts, comments or suggestion will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Maggie > > > > > >

Hi Vickie and all, I looked back through my notes and I found that I had listed Charlie Ross Shiver (son of James Manning Shiver and not to be confused with the Charlie Ross who is son of William Jackson Shiver of Enoch's line) was married to a Josie Naomi Pitts. ( I wasn't showing any parents for her) No marriage date. A couple of things bother me. One was the dates that I am showing for Charlie and Josie. Charlie B: 16 Jan 1896 and D: 31 Oct 1970 unknown where he died Josie B: 3 Dec 1890 and D: 3 Nov 1932 in Florida Note that this would make Josie six years OLDER than her husband and she died 38 years before her husband! Of course, this is possible!!! I show 8 children: Julie; Miles Herman; Lucille; Naomi; Ellen; Manning; Melvin Ross (born and died same day) and Robert Ross. Ellen was shown as being born in 1932. Did Josie die in Childbirth???? Did Charlie Ross ever remarry??? I have a note somewhere that seem to indicate that he had had two wives! Where did I get that?????? And if he died, who was the second wife????? Well, I looked again and sure enough found a second wife - Alma Bailey - with whom he had two more children - Johnnie and Norman Shiver. Does this agree with what you all have??????? You stated that Josie was listed as Josie Clark - WHERE was she listed as Josie Clark??? If grandma is correct by saying that she was John melvin Pitts's sister, then her mother would be Mary Steadman and her father would be Cudge who is Melvin John Pitts. Is that correct ?? I'm a little bit confused here!!!! And that's not hard for me to be :) I don't have any data on D. B. irland and W. D. Ireland - I show Fannie Roxann Irland Shiver's parents to be Thomas J. Ireland and Sarah Bozeman (and for Mary Kathryn - I don't have the parents for Sarah Bozeman yet) Nor do I show any other children for Thomas and Sarah but "Fannie" though I am sure there were more!!! I think the 1920 census would be the first this family (Charlie Ross and Josie) would be listed going by him being born 1896 plus 20 years equal 1916. So need to look at 1920 census which I have not done yet - does anyone have this census record?? Let me know about the name Clark and where it came from - maybe we can straighten out the family!! I would like to have others input on this family - I could be entirely off base here -- so help!! Lyrice

Can anybody help this nice lady? I already answered her questions about Dedemiah... MKK ****************** Hi Mary, My name is Vickie Burch Boyd. I am a descendant of James Manning Shiver. His daughter, Annie Frances Shiver Pitts Tucker Williamson was my great grandmother. Annie married john Melvin Pitts who died at 29 years of age. They had 2 daughters. Susie Lee Pitts Burch Durant (my grandmother) and Nell Pitts Richardson. My grandma married Aaron Chester Burch and had 2 sons, George Edward Burch(my father) and Roy Eugene Burch. I have been working on this family for about a year now and finally made a break through a few months ago. My grandma is a great help but she is 78 years old and doesn't remember all she would like to. I spoke with Lyrice back in June and I went to Cool Springs Cemetery in July on vacation. While I was there I took several photos of grave stones. By the way there are a lot of Shivers there. I have one photo of a slab that was broke quite a bit and it said - SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF Didamirah Shiver Born: May 1816 Died: August 1931 - GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN How was this Didamirah kin to Enoch's Dedemiah? I have photos of D B Ireland and W D Ireland. Are they related to Frances "Fannie" Roxann Shiver(James Manning Shiver's wife)? If so, how? Also, so you have any info on John Melvin Pitts, his parents were Melvin "Cudge" john Pitts and Mary Steadman. I am looking for their ancestors. My grandma tells me that James Manning's son Charlie Ross Shiver married a "Josie". My grandma remembers her. Grandma says she was John Melvin Pitts's sister. I see that she is listed as Josie Clark. Josie's mother is a Steadman. could it be that Josie's mother and John Melvin's mother were sisters and Cudge and Mary Pitts raised her??? If you have any info on this let me know. It would be a big help. Thanks, Vickie Burch Boyd bboyd@flinet.com -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs

Hi all! I received this yesterday from Nancy Shiver <NSHIV@bellsouth.net> and thought I'd pass it on to the list. She also volunteered to share the other information from the Heath-Wilkinson Cemetery in Dudley if anyone is interested or needs it. > I received the Record of Funeral from Adam's Funeral Home in Dublin Ga for Lonnie Eugene. It > states he was born in GA. Date of birth June 1. No year was given. His death date was Oct 23, 1936 and he was 53 years old. His > father was R. Shiver and his mother's maiden name was unknown. In addition to Lonnie's info, they also sent me the record of funeral for > William Henry Shiver who was born in Bibb County, was living in Spartanburg SC at the time of his death 1/3/1937. Both Lonnie and William > Henry are buried in Dudley GA. William Henry's father was listed as Ryal Shiver. > > Lonnie is buried at the Heath-Wilkinson Cemetry in Dudley along with his wife Daisy Wilkinson > Shiver. Members from her family are also buried there. They include the surnames Wilkinson, LaFavor, Heath, Hodge and McTier. Also > buried there is Fannie Shiver Heath 1893-1921. She is buried with a double head stone with Thomas Henry Heath 1884- 1935. > Margaret LaFavor was Daisy's mother. She had a sister Mary C. Lafavor Heath (March 24, 1860 - Sept 22 1944) married to Jacov Thomas > Heath (Apr 22. 1855 - July 8, 1937). > > > A deed in the Laurens County Court House shows that Samuel Hodge and William Larkin bought > lot #313 on a line south of little Rocky Creek from Kindred Partin in 1840. Samuel Hodge married William Larkin's only daughter, > Betsy. Hodge died without any children. Betsy Larkin Hodge married a second time to Abram LaFavor. They had 4 children Sara C., Mary C, > Margaret who married J. T. Wilkinson and one son. Margaret and J. T. Wilkinson were Daisy Wilkinson's parent. Daisy was married to > Lonnie Eugene. Theo Oscar Wilkinson was Daisy's uncle on her father's side. He had many children one was a > daughter, name Margarette who married Jack Sapp. Margarette is still alive. Lonnie and Daisy lived next door to the Theo Wilkinson. > Probably even on property owned by the Wilkinsons or LaFavors. > > In the 1900 and 1920 census for GA I could not find Lonnie Eugene (Pat) Shiver. I did find > Robert S. Shiver in the 1900 and 1920 census for Laurens County. He was married to Dora and had the following children: > Willie 16 > Myrtle 13 > Adell 11 > Bob 9 > Jim Henry 2 > > He was married Sept 1869. Both parents were born in GA and he could read and write. > -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs

Hi Bert and John! Welcome to our Shiver Group!! Glad to have you aboard. I also descend from Enoch - Mary Kathryn and I are second cousins, once removed - we both descend from Loyd Hampton Shiver - She from his son, Perry, and me from his son, Jessie. I would be very interested in learning which of Henry Solomon's children that you descend from: I am showing as children: James; William; Aaron; Jessie; Louis; and Fredie. How about posting your line!! Happy to meet my "New" cousins - Let me hear from you! Lyrice Shiver McCranie Valdosta, GA

I would like to welcome john and Bert to our Shiver family. I descend from Enoch Shiver--Rebecca & Jacob--Mary Elizabeth and William Shirah--- Lillar Shirah and Marion Tucker. I would be interested in anything you would be willing to share. Welcome to the group. Linda

Hello everyone, I'd like to take a minute and introduce John and Bert Shiver, who have recently joined our ranks. They are descendants of Enoch Shiver (Lyrice, I found some more! <vbg>) through his son Ransom Shiver and Lydia A. Sullivan. Their line follows down through Ransom's son Henry Solomon Shiver, who married (1) Sarah Shiver -- dau. of Anthony Shiver and Marinda Tolar and (2) Annie Hall. They descend through the second marriage. Neither of these gentlemen knew much about their Shiver heritage prior to sending me an e-mail query about a week or so ago. I've filled them in on what we know so far and would invite you all (especially those of you descended from Enoch or Manning --yep, they are descended through Manning too through his daughter Rebecca Jane who md. William Manning Sullivan) to make them feel welcome to our group! I'm still working on the Lonnie Eugene Shiver mystery and am hoping to have that solved by the end of this week. A little census work ought to help with that one. Be watching the web site in the next few months for a considerable number of updates. I have cut back on a considerable number of commitments lately to make more time for my family (living and dead!), and am starting to seem some progress and perhaps a faint (very!) light at the end of the tunnel. I'm working to enter all my data (and it is a LOT) into my genealogy program so that I can then use that to update the web site. As Jim Swailes knows first hand, I have quite a bit of census data that I haven't had time to transcribe (and which he would LOVE to have! <g>). I'm anxious to get it all out to you on the site. I have received pictures from some of you of your ancestors, and if there are others of you out there that have pictures and you have the ability to scan them, please do so and send them to me via e-mail. I intend to start getting these up on the web site as well. Take care! Hope you all have a wonderful week! Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@ibm.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs