John, trust me its there. I have photos of the graves if your email accepts attacments. The settlement used to called Jack Springs and even now the cemetary is many times referred to as the Jack Springs Cemetary. I have a lot of info on the old town of McCullough including the Shiver store if your email accepts attachments. Dan On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:28:55 EST JohnArden@aol.com writes: > Looked in my book on Alabama place names and don't find a McCullough > or > anything like that! >

Bill, does your email accept attachments too? Dan On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:31:27 -0500 "William Cassady" <cassady@gulftel.com> writes: > Dan, > I'm not as pretty as Shirley, and not as good at sweet talk, but > would > sure appreciate a copy of the pictures. > > Bill Cassady >

Shirley, does your email accept attachments? Dan On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:07:34 -0600 "Shirley Turner Shiver" <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> writes: > Dan: You have pictures! How wonderful! I wonder if I could sweet > talk you > into sending me a copy? Huh? Huh? PULEEZE! > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmward@juno.com <dmward@juno.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: December 18, 1999 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > > > >Yes, Catherine is buried at McCullough and is my great great great > >grandmother. Her daughter, Mary Salany Elizabeth Shiver married > John > >Gilbert Hall and all three are buried together. Her son Samuel is > buried > >next to her. Several of John and Mary's children are buried around > them. > >I have a photo of Catherine as well as Mary and John. Dan > > > >On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0500 "William Cassady" > ><cassady@gulftel.com> writes: > >> I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, > and > >> found > >> the following Shiver headstones: > >> John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > >> Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > >> Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > >> > >> > >> Father Mother > >> Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > >> Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > >> Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > >> > >> Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section > of > >> the > >> cemetery. > >> 1830 - 1927 > >> > >> I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter > of > >> Samuel > >> Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob > >> Shiver > >> III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know > that > >> the Cain > >> book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. > Olive > >> Cemetery > >> in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average > isn't > >> that > >> great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain > why > >> she was > >> there in that section. > >> Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts > about > >> Catherine? > >> > >> Bill Cassady > >> > >> > > > > >

Dan, You don't by chance have the photo of Catherine scanned do you? I would love to have a copy... are there any others to this family? Jim SHIVER-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > SHIVER-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 114 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [SHIVER] Valdosta [Lyrice McCranie <lsm1043@planttel.] > #2 [SHIVER] Who are these people? ["William Cassady" <cassady@gulftel] > #3 Re: [SHIVER] Check out Troy Public ["Anna Mitchell" <anica74@hotmail.c] > #4 Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? ["Shirley Turner Shiver" <shirleyt@] > #5 Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? [dmward@juno.com] > #6 Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? [dmward@juno.com] > #7 Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? ["Shirley Turner Shiver" <shirleyt@] > #8 Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? ["William Cassady" <cassady@gulftel] > #9 Re: [SHIVER] Check out Troy Public [MRipke@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from SHIVER-D, send a message to > > SHIVER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [SHIVER] Valdosta > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:42:13 -0500 > From: Lyrice McCranie <lsm1043@planttel.net> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > Hey Anna and Shirley, > > I live in Valdosta too - I didn't know you were living here as well, > Anna. If you would like to give me a call, I'm listed in phone book > under Owen McCranie at 247-9792. Would love to hear from you. > And Shirley - if you plan on a trip to Huxford Library, you will be > going through Valdosta - Give me a call!!! > And to anyone else who plans to be in Valdosta, please come to see me - > would love to meet all my "cousins"!! > > Happy Holidays to all! > Lyrice > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0500 > From: "William Cassady" <cassady@gulftel.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and found > the following Shiver headstones: > John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > > Father Mother > Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > > Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of the > cemetery. > 1830 - 1927 > > I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of Samuel > Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob Shiver > III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that the Cain > book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive Cemetery > in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't that > great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why she was > there in that section. > Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about > Catherine? > > Bill Cassady > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Check out Troy Public Library Webrary > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:41:44 EST > From: "Anna Mitchell" <anica74@hotmail.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > My mom said her library does something called interlibrary loan with > libraries across the country. You might want to ask some of your regional > libraries if they do too. If so, and Troy does it, you might could get the > book that way. However, she warned that since it is a reference book, they > might not send it, or if they do you might have to look at it in the > library, as with other reference books. Also, some libraries charge a fee > to cover their expenses in getting the book. > > Anna > > >From: MRipke@aol.com > >Reply-To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > >To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [SHIVER] Check out Troy Public Library Webrary > >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:24:10 EST > > > > <A HREF="http://publiclibrary.troy.al.us:81/">Click here: Troy Public > >Library Webrary</A> > > > >http://publiclibrary.troy.al.us:81/ > > > >Online card catalog for Troy, Al Public Library ~ sometimes this site is > >easy > >to access, other times you get connection time out. > > > >Good Luck & Happy Holidays, > >Maggie > >I am researching the following surnames in Pike Co, Al ~ Shiver, Collins, > >Carroll, Boutwell, Fortune. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:02:26 -0600 > From: "Shirley Turner Shiver" <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > Bill: > > I tend to agree with you RE: Catherine Cooper. I had her birth as abt 1831 > re the 1850/1860 Coffee County Census. > > Catherine was: age19 on 18 Oct 1850; and age 28 on 3 Sep 1860. If the > census is anywhere near right, she was probably born after Sep 3 and before > 18 Oct in 1831. > > That's close enough for government work! ;-) > > Shirley > P.S. Where is McCullough? > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Cassady <cassady@gulftel.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: December 18, 1999 05:22 PM > Subject: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > > >I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and found > >the following Shiver headstones: > > John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > > Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > > Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > > > > > > Father Mother > > Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > > Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > > Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > > > > Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of the > >cemetery. > > 1830 - 1927 > > > > I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of Samuel > >Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob Shiver > >III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that the > Cain > >book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive > Cemetery > >in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't that > >great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why she was > >there in that section. > > Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about > >Catherine? > > > >Bill Cassady > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:56:57 -0600 > From: dmward@juno.com > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > Yes, Catherine is buried at McCullough and is my great great great > grandmother. Her daughter, Mary Salany Elizabeth Shiver married John > Gilbert Hall and all three are buried together. Her son Samuel is buried > next to her. Several of John and Mary's children are buried around them. > I have a photo of Catherine as well as Mary and John. Dan > > On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0500 "William Cassady" > <cassady@gulftel.com> writes: > > I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and > > found > > the following Shiver headstones: > > John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > > Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > > Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > > > > > > Father Mother > > Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > > Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > > Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > > > > Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of > > the > > cemetery. > > 1830 - 1927 > > > > I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of > > Samuel > > Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob > > Shiver > > III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that > > the Cain > > book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive > > Cemetery > > in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't > > that > > great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why > > she was > > there in that section. > > Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about > > Catherine? > > > > Bill Cassady > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:12:44 -0600 > From: dmward@juno.com > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > McCullough is northwest of Atmore, Alabama. Catherine was married to > Jacob Shiver who died in 1859. Have photo of Catherine. Dan > > On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:02:26 -0600 "Shirley Turner Shiver" > <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> writes: > > Bill: > > > > I tend to agree with you RE: Catherine Cooper. I had her birth as > > abt 1831 > > re the 1850/1860 Coffee County Census. > > > > Catherine was: age19 on 18 Oct 1850; and age 28 on 3 Sep 1860. If > > the > > census is anywhere near right, she was probably born after Sep 3 and > > before > > 18 Oct in 1831. > > > > That's close enough for government work! ;-) > > > > Shirley > > P.S. Where is McCullough? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Cassady <cassady@gulftel.com> > > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: December 18, 1999 05:22 PM > > Subject: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > > > > > > >I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and > > found > > >the following Shiver headstones: > > > John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > > > Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > > > Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > > > > > > > > > Father Mother > > > Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > > > Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > > > Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > > > > > > Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section > > of the > > >cemetery. > > > 1830 - 1927 > > > > > > I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter > > of Samuel > > >Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob > > Shiver > > >III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that > > the > > Cain > > >book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive > > Cemetery > > >in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't > > that > > >great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why > > she was > > >there in that section. > > > Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts > > about > > >Catherine? > > > > > >Bill Cassady > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:07:34 -0600 > From: "Shirley Turner Shiver" <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > Dan: You have pictures! How wonderful! I wonder if I could sweet talk you > into sending me a copy? Huh? Huh? PULEEZE! > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmward@juno.com <dmward@juno.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: December 18, 1999 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > > >Yes, Catherine is buried at McCullough and is my great great great > >grandmother. Her daughter, Mary Salany Elizabeth Shiver married John > >Gilbert Hall and all three are buried together. Her son Samuel is buried > >next to her. Several of John and Mary's children are buried around them. > >I have a photo of Catherine as well as Mary and John. Dan > > > >On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0500 "William Cassady" > ><cassady@gulftel.com> writes: > >> I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and > >> found > >> the following Shiver headstones: > >> John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > >> Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > >> Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > >> > >> > >> Father Mother > >> Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > >> Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > >> Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > >> > >> Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of > >> the > >> cemetery. > >> 1830 - 1927 > >> > >> I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of > >> Samuel > >> Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob > >> Shiver > >> III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that > >> the Cain > >> book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive > >> Cemetery > >> in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't > >> that > >> great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why > >> she was > >> there in that section. > >> Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about > >> Catherine? > >> > >> Bill Cassady > >> > >> > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:31:27 -0500 > From: "William Cassady" <cassady@gulftel.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > Dan, > I'm not as pretty as Shirley, and not as good at sweet talk, but would > sure appreciate a copy of the pictures. > > Bill Cassady > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Check out Troy Public Library Webrary > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:49:06 EST > From: MRipke@aol.com > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 12/18/1999 10:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > anica74@hotmail.com writes: > > << library does something called interlibrary loan with > libraries across the country. You might want to ask some of your regional > libraries if they do too. If so, and Troy does >> > > Troy, Al Library does not have interlibrary loan of genealogy books, unless > they changed their policy in the last couple of months. > Happy Holidays, > Maggie

Looked in my book on Alabama place names and don't find a McCullough or anything like that!

Dan: You have pictures! How wonderful! I wonder if I could sweet talk you into sending me a copy? Huh? Huh? PULEEZE! Shirley -----Original Message----- From: dmward@juno.com <dmward@juno.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: December 18, 1999 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? >Yes, Catherine is buried at McCullough and is my great great great >grandmother. Her daughter, Mary Salany Elizabeth Shiver married John >Gilbert Hall and all three are buried together. Her son Samuel is buried >next to her. Several of John and Mary's children are buried around them. >I have a photo of Catherine as well as Mary and John. Dan > >On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0500 "William Cassady" ><cassady@gulftel.com> writes: >> I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and >> found >> the following Shiver headstones: >> John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver >> Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 >> Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 >> >> >> Father Mother >> Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver >> Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 >> Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 >> >> Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of >> the >> cemetery. >> 1830 - 1927 >> >> I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of >> Samuel >> Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob >> Shiver >> III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that >> the Cain >> book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive >> Cemetery >> in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't >> that >> great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why >> she was >> there in that section. >> Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about >> Catherine? >> >> Bill Cassady >> >> > >

Dan, I'm not as pretty as Shirley, and not as good at sweet talk, but would sure appreciate a copy of the pictures. Bill Cassady

McCullough is northwest of Atmore, Alabama. Catherine was married to Jacob Shiver who died in 1859. Have photo of Catherine. Dan On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:02:26 -0600 "Shirley Turner Shiver" <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> writes: > Bill: > > I tend to agree with you RE: Catherine Cooper. I had her birth as > abt 1831 > re the 1850/1860 Coffee County Census. > > Catherine was: age19 on 18 Oct 1850; and age 28 on 3 Sep 1860. If > the > census is anywhere near right, she was probably born after Sep 3 and > before > 18 Oct in 1831. > > That's close enough for government work! ;-) > > Shirley > P.S. Where is McCullough? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Cassady <cassady@gulftel.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: December 18, 1999 05:22 PM > Subject: [SHIVER] Who are these people? > > > >I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and > found > >the following Shiver headstones: > > John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > > Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > > Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > > > > > > Father Mother > > Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > > Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > > Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > > > > Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section > of the > >cemetery. > > 1830 - 1927 > > > > I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter > of Samuel > >Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob > Shiver > >III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that > the > Cain > >book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive > Cemetery > >in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't > that > >great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why > she was > >there in that section. > > Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts > about > >Catherine? > > > >Bill Cassady > > > > > > >

Bill: I tend to agree with you RE: Catherine Cooper. I had her birth as abt 1831 re the 1850/1860 Coffee County Census. Catherine was: age19 on 18 Oct 1850; and age 28 on 3 Sep 1860. If the census is anywhere near right, she was probably born after Sep 3 and before 18 Oct in 1831. That's close enough for government work! ;-) Shirley P.S. Where is McCullough? -----Original Message----- From: William Cassady <cassady@gulftel.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: December 18, 1999 05:22 PM Subject: [SHIVER] Who are these people? >I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and found >the following Shiver headstones: > John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > > > Father Mother > Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > > Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of the >cemetery. > 1830 - 1927 > > I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of Samuel >Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob Shiver >III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that the Cain >book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive Cemetery >in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't that >great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why she was >there in that section. > Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about >Catherine? > >Bill Cassady > > >

Yes, Catherine is buried at McCullough and is my great great great grandmother. Her daughter, Mary Salany Elizabeth Shiver married John Gilbert Hall and all three are buried together. Her son Samuel is buried next to her. Several of John and Mary's children are buried around them. I have a photo of Catherine as well as Mary and John. Dan On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0500 "William Cassady" <cassady@gulftel.com> writes: > I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and > found > the following Shiver headstones: > John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver > Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 > Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 > > > Father Mother > Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver > Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 > Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 > > Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of > the > cemetery. > 1830 - 1927 > > I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of > Samuel > Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob > Shiver > III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that > the Cain > book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive > Cemetery > in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't > that > great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why > she was > there in that section. > Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about > Catherine? > > Bill Cassady > >

In a message dated 12/18/1999 10:44:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, anica74@hotmail.com writes: << library does something called interlibrary loan with libraries across the country. You might want to ask some of your regional libraries if they do too. If so, and Troy does >> Troy, Al Library does not have interlibrary loan of genealogy books, unless they changed their policy in the last couple of months. Happy Holidays, Maggie

My mom said her library does something called interlibrary loan with libraries across the country. You might want to ask some of your regional libraries if they do too. If so, and Troy does it, you might could get the book that way. However, she warned that since it is a reference book, they might not send it, or if they do you might have to look at it in the library, as with other reference books. Also, some libraries charge a fee to cover their expenses in getting the book. Anna >From: MRipke@aol.com >Reply-To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com >To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SHIVER] Check out Troy Public Library Webrary >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:24:10 EST > > <A HREF="http://publiclibrary.troy.al.us:81/">Click here: Troy Public >Library Webrary</A> > >http://publiclibrary.troy.al.us:81/ > >Online card catalog for Troy, Al Public Library ~ sometimes this site is >easy >to access, other times you get connection time out. > >Good Luck & Happy Holidays, >Maggie >I am researching the following surnames in Pike Co, Al ~ Shiver, Collins, >Carroll, Boutwell, Fortune. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, and found the following Shiver headstones: John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 Father Mother Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section of the cemetery. 1830 - 1927 I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter of Samuel Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob Shiver III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know that the Cain book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. Olive Cemetery in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average isn't that great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain why she was there in that section. Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts about Catherine? Bill Cassady

Hey Anna and Shirley, I live in Valdosta too - I didn't know you were living here as well, Anna. If you would like to give me a call, I'm listed in phone book under Owen McCranie at 247-9792. Would love to hear from you. And Shirley - if you plan on a trip to Huxford Library, you will be going through Valdosta - Give me a call!!! And to anyone else who plans to be in Valdosta, please come to see me - would love to meet all my "cousins"!! Happy Holidays to all! Lyrice

Jim (and the LIST!): Strange how these names keep popping up. Your first reference below - author Erma BAGGETT - really leaped out at me. Abner's son, William Riley, had a daughter, Jeanette Anna who married Homer Colesta BAGGETT. Same family? Gotta be! I'm going to try and get together with Trudy GREEN and Midge STONE (maiden name: GILBERT,daus of Lilla (GILBERT) SHIVER>dau of Marion SHIVER> son of Abner B. SHIVER) and Jennie (JONES) LERCH, (dau of Leon JONES>son of Elmedia (SHIVER) JONES>dau of Marion SHIVER, etc) for a research trip sometime in March. We were looking for destinations. I think the Troy Public Library just made the list. (We're also planning on hitting the Creek Indian College in S.W. Georgia [for some data on the elusive William R. King], and the Huxford Library at Homerville.) To all the LIST: My best wishes for a MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY and FRUITFUL NEW YEAR. May the coming new millennium knock down all those "brick walls"; may lost records be miraculously recovered (and hand delivered personally to YOU), and may we finally link all these SHIVER'S together! Shirley Turner Shiver -----Original Message----- From: James Swailes <swailes@gfherald.infi.net> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: December 17, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: [SHIVER] Troy Alabama Public Library >GEESH, > >I can't work my e-mail for a couple of weeks and this list takes off >like a rocket!!! Ya gota love it. It's gona take days to chew on all >this stuff. Do have a question though... does anyone out there have >access to the Troy Alabama Public library or a copy of the book listed >below. I sent a letter several weeks ago to the librarian but never >received a reply. I also tried to find the book through Amazon dot Com >but no luck. I would love to know what's in this thing... note the >Shiver info and the other surnames that are listed. Several of these >show up in later years connected to our line. I also think this might >have some information about the "Pea Creek" area where Jacob, son of >Jacob, son of Jacob, son of John and Hanna had property (I think that's >the way it goes). Any way, Troy Alabama is a LONG, LONG, LONG way from >North Dakota! Any insight would be helpful > >Merry Christmas > >Jim > >R > GEN > > AL 976.121 B146a > Baggett, Erma > Across the creek : The history and genealogy >of the communites Phillipsville, Halls Fork and > High Pine Baldwin County, Alabama / by Erma Baggett >and Gale Rasa.. Bay Minette, Al. : Lavender > Publishing,, c1993. 235 p.. > > > 09382520011 > > 10045941 > 1. Alabama--History. 2. Baldwin County >(Al.)--History. 3. Baldwin County (Al.)--Church history. 4. > Heathcock family history. 5. Weekley family history. >6. Presley family history. 7. Thomley family history. > 8. Hubbard family history. 9. Slay family history. >10. James family history. 11. Merrill family history. 12. > Pettus family history. 13. Hanna family history. 14. >Baggett family history. 15. Phillips family history. 16. > Schrock family history. 17. Stewart family history. >18. Roley family history. 19. Woods family history. > 20. Howell family history. 21. Johnson family >history. 22. Barbarow family history. 23. Pimperl family > history. 24. Smith family history. 25. Jones family >history. 26. Kirchharr family history. 27. Jarman > family history. 28. Raley family history. 29. >Flowers family history. 30. Poston family history. 31. Long > family history. 32. Hicks family history. 33. Cooper >family history. 34. Henderson family history. 35. > Thompson family history. 36. Layman family history. >37. Shiver family history. 38. Day family history. > 39. Barac family history. 40. Harville family >history. 41. Dickman family history. 42. Kuykendall family > history. 43. Hayles family history. 44. I.. Title. > Call Number > Location > Status > R GEN AL 976.121 B146a > Genealogy Room > In > >

<A HREF="http://publiclibrary.troy.al.us:81/">Click here: Troy Public Library Webrary</A> http://publiclibrary.troy.al.us:81/ Online card catalog for Troy, Al Public Library ~ sometimes this site is easy to access, other times you get connection time out. Good Luck & Happy Holidays, Maggie I am researching the following surnames in Pike Co, Al ~ Shiver, Collins, Carroll, Boutwell, Fortune.

GEESH, I can't work my e-mail for a couple of weeks and this list takes off like a rocket!!! Ya gota love it. It's gona take days to chew on all this stuff. Do have a question though... does anyone out there have access to the Troy Alabama Public library or a copy of the book listed below. I sent a letter several weeks ago to the librarian but never received a reply. I also tried to find the book through Amazon dot Com but no luck. I would love to know what's in this thing... note the Shiver info and the other surnames that are listed. Several of these show up in later years connected to our line. I also think this might have some information about the "Pea Creek" area where Jacob, son of Jacob, son of Jacob, son of John and Hanna had property (I think that's the way it goes). Any way, Troy Alabama is a LONG, LONG, LONG way from North Dakota! Any insight would be helpful Merry Christmas Jim R GEN AL 976.121 B146a Baggett, Erma Across the creek : The history and genealogy of the communites Phillipsville, Halls Fork and High Pine Baldwin County, Alabama / by Erma Baggett and Gale Rasa.. Bay Minette, Al. : Lavender Publishing,, c1993. 235 p.. 09382520011 10045941 1. Alabama--History. 2. Baldwin County (Al.)--History. 3. Baldwin County (Al.)--Church history. 4. Heathcock family history. 5. Weekley family history. 6. Presley family history. 7. Thomley family history. 8. Hubbard family history. 9. Slay family history. 10. James family history. 11. Merrill family history. 12. Pettus family history. 13. Hanna family history. 14. Baggett family history. 15. Phillips family history. 16. Schrock family history. 17. Stewart family history. 18. Roley family history. 19. Woods family history. 20. Howell family history. 21. Johnson family history. 22. Barbarow family history. 23. Pimperl family history. 24. Smith family history. 25. Jones family history. 26. Kirchharr family history. 27. Jarman family history. 28. Raley family history. 29. Flowers family history. 30. Poston family history. 31. Long family history. 32. Hicks family history. 33. Cooper family history. 34. Henderson family history. 35. Thompson family history. 36. Layman family history. 37. Shiver family history. 38. Day family history. 39. Barac family history. 40. Harville family history. 41. Dickman family history. 42. Kuykendall family history. 43. Hayles family history. 44. I.. Title. Call Number Location Status R GEN AL 976.121 B146a Genealogy Room In

Wouldn't it be cool if there was somebody like this in EVERY county? :-) http://starnews.com/extra/features/99/dec/1207st_cemetery.html -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

To my geneology friends: I just wanted to send holiday greetings to everyone who has helped me with my geneology. Some of you took the time to write me back after a query even though it wasn't the same line, which is so helpful, and others gave me more information than I ever would have believed. I tried to reply to everyone who wrote me to say thanks, but if I missed anyone, thanks to everyone who took the time to write me. Since geneology buffs usually only take the time to talk geneology, I also thought I'd tell you a little about myself, since I am constantly trying to imagine the people I am corresponding with. I am 25 years old, live in Valdosta, and I work as a social worker with people who have mental retardation. I also live with my boyfriend (whose computer I have basically taken over) and we provide a home for a young man with mental retardation and mental illness. So if you were wondering why I disappear from geneology for months at a time... Challenging and time-consuming just barely scratch the surface when describing my life, but it is so rewarding that it is worth it. And lots of fun as well. A lot of people forget about that part of human services, but I go to dances with my consumers and boogie down. Our roommate also has a penchant for loud rock and roll, playing pool and darts, and loves to travel, which fits into my lifestyle perfectly. We have a blast! My main hobby is playing on the computer, when I can, since we stick pretty close to the house most of the time. This includes geneology, of course, but also looking up anything and everything that strikes my fancy, currently I'm really into looking at camper vans and dreaming of being on the road seeing America (if I win the lottery). Some of you know this already, but my mother, a librarian, got me into geneology as a teenager, and every year we go on a research trip together. This year we went to Augusta, GA which was just great. I found a lot of information, mostly on my Cliatt line. I think geneology trips are wonderful, and I highly recommend it. Plus they are very cheap as you are usually staying in small towns, and libraries and cemeteries are still free!! Well, that's enough of my holiday ramblings. I am so glad I made contact with each and every one of you! Have a Great Holiday Season, and May All Your Geneology Wishes Come True!! Love, Anna Mitchell Currently researching the Cliatt, Mitchell, Burtz, Shiver and their associated families. ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Homestead is a nice little town. All of our family grew up there. The mayor, Steve Shiver is not related to this line of Shiver's.(James A) What lineage does he have? I will ask him whenever I get down there next March. I think he is from another state. I have met him before. As far as I know, he is not a cousin. Mary Shiver Pierce ----- Original Message ----- From: <JohnArden@aol.com> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] shiver book > Drexel Shiver's book covers that line and how some of the family left > Hamilton Co and > went to what is today Homestead, FL, where the mayor is a Shiver and a > descendant of that line. >