The only Alexander that I know of was the youngest son of Ransome Shiver of Sylvester, GA, born in 1854, my great grandfather. Kenneth Shiver kcshiver@ix.netcom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lciparro@aol.com> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 5:32 PM Subject: [SHIVER] Re: SHIVER-D Digest V99 #117 > James A. is the son of Daniel & Metana, I have James Abraham, I don,t know > where I got it. But now that someone else has his name as James Alexander, I > was wondering if there was a record of his middle name. There seems to be > alot of Abrahams in the Shiver family tree, I have,t seen the name Alexander > at all. Im a novice at this and depend on you pro,s for direction. LOL > Linda > The Florida Shivers > > >

Kenneth, Your great grandfather and my great grandfather were brothers, as mine was Anthony, a Civil War soldier, who is buried in Old Bethel Cem in Worth County. Ransom was my gr gr grandfather, but woe is me, I don't know who my gr gr gr grandfather was -- still waiting for someone smarter than me to figure it out as I have about exhausted all avenues, plus a few well paid so called researchers in Atlanta and Salt Lake City. So far I haven't found any of them to be worth their salt! l

Hello listmembers! Just wanted to sent a message out to everyone on my various Rootsweb genealogy lists and tell you that you can relax about viruses being transmitted on these lists. Some listowners who don't understand exactly how Rootsweb works have panicked when they have gotten an e-mail with what appears to be (though none of them have opened it) a virus attachment. It is called "pirate.exe", and I'm sure before the ol' clock ticks over on 1 Jan 2000, we will hear of many more. Please don't panic about this. I've heard that there are some listowners who have had lots of "unsub" messages lately... Rootsweb does not allow attachments to go through its lists, and so they are automatically bounced to the listowner (and usually with an attachment on the subject that says {not a subscriber}). All we have to do at that point is delete them. I generally take a look at them, just in case it is someone on the list trying to send a GEDCOM or a picture file, so that I can let them know that this is not possible. Generally, the message is also sent back to the individual who sent it letting them know that they cannot send attachments. So, don't worry about getting a virus from your Rootsweb lists. Just be extra vigilant over the next few weeks (and always, really) to NOT open any attachments (particularly ".exe" and ".zip" ones) that you were not expecting. You almost can't go by the maxim to "not open it unless you know the person", since they are getting sophisticated enough now that worms are being sent back out from infected computers to people in their address books. So it may have a "here's the stuff you wanted" kind of subject and may be from someone you know. As long as you don't open the attachment, it can't hurt you, and you can always just let it sit and pop an e-mail off to the sender asking if they really DID send you something! I've even gotten to the point where I don't open cutesy little "Christmas messages" or "Year 2000" animated gifs because I don't have the time and don't want to risk anything. Silly I suppose, but I have yet to be infected with a virus or worm either! :-) (Now... where's the wood again to knock on?) Hope this has been helpful (though long-winded) and that you all have a wonderful Christmas and a virus-free 2000! Mary Kathryn Rootsweb Listowner -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

James A. is the son of Daniel & Metana, I have James Abraham, I don,t know where I got it. But now that someone else has his name as James Alexander, I was wondering if there was a record of his middle name. There seems to be alot of Abrahams in the Shiver family tree, I have,t seen the name Alexander at all. Im a novice at this and depend on you pro,s for direction. LOL Linda The Florida Shivers

Dear Linda: You are one of the Florida Shivers?? Great, can you tell me please how John H. Shivers who came to Florida from Turner County, GA by way of Worth County, (the homeplace of his wife) fits in?? Also where abouts in Florida are your group of Shivers located. Mine first came to Highlands County and then later went into Polk County. Gail Please reply to regular e-mail at embracer@strato.net Please reply to embracer532@hotmail.com with large attachments Thanks, Gail Moore

are you refering to James ALLEN Shiver....burried in Evergreen Cemetary outside of camilla.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lciparro@aol.com> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:57 PM Subject: [SHIVER] James A. Shiver > What is the A. for in James A. Shiver ...Abraham or Alexander...and what > proof is there. > > Linda Ciparro > The Florida Shivers > >

Is there any information on a James Alexander Shiver and Mary Jane Shiver marrying in about 1854?

Just a quick note... I notice that in Abraham's will, where he lists the children of Daniel (who predeceased him by over 10 years, and left a widow with 5 small children, she then died a few years later from what I can gather) as: Item. To ABRAHAM SHIVER, HETTY SHIVER, LEWIZER SHIVER, JEFFERSON SHIVER, and MENTRY SHIVER, the children of DANIEL SHIVER, deceased, five dollars, divided between them in addition to what they have already received. This item in Abraham's will seems to indicate that Daniel had a son Abraham. Given the penchant that those in the South have for giving their children two names and then using the middle one, I wonder if this could be James A(braham?) Shiver? He would have been born about the right time (1830) or so... Also, this item in Abraham's will is also the basis for my previous statements that the two girls, age 17 and 19, listed with Elijah SHIVER in Dale Co., AL in 1850 were not his children at all, but Daniel's girls, who he and his wife Nancy raised after Daniel and Mentena died. (Anyone else reached the same conclusion here?) Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Linda - Is it James Abraham (son of Daniel and Mentena Shiver), who md. Jane Shiver (dau. of Bonaparte) that you are talking about? The information I have says that his name was Abraham, but maybe I got that from you? ;-) I'm guessing Abraham, since his grandpa's name was Abraham. No proof here either, since it's a long way from my line... Mary K. -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

No proof and just handed down by family I believe. On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:57:35 EST Lciparro@aol.com writes: > What is the A. for in James A. Shiver ...Abraham or Alexander...and > what > proof is there. > > Linda Ciparro > The Florida Shivers >

What is the A. for in James A. Shiver ...Abraham or Alexander...and what proof is there. Linda Ciparro The Florida Shivers

I think when I send it to any of those folks it goes to the list doesn't it. my previous messages did. let me know. On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:01:02 -0500 Harry Rudd <harry.rudd@mail.wdn.com> writes: > Dan, > > It might be easier just to send the pix to the maillist and be done > with > it....LOL > > Harry > > At 11:53 AM 12/19/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Dan - > > > >Time for me to chime in here.... :-) I would love a copy of the > pictures > >of Catherine too (or her parents/children if you have them), and > yes, my > >e-mail accepts attachments! :-) > > > >Mary Kathryn > >-- > >Mary Kathryn Kozy > >mkozy@attglobal.net > >My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ > >South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ > >Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ > >Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ > >Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/ > > > > > >

Oh, Yes! And when it comes to pictures, think of the old kids saying, "My name is Jimmie, I'll take what you'll give me!" (Boy. Do you have a lot of mailing to to do. And right here at Christmas, too. Consider the pics your Christmas present to the list. Personally, I can't think of one I'd like any better. Mary Christmas!) Shirley -----Original Message----- From: dmward@juno.com <dmward@juno.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: December 19, 1999 04:14 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? >Shirley, does your email accept attachments? Dan > >On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:07:34 -0600 "Shirley Turner Shiver" ><shirleyt@bellsouth.net> writes: >> Dan: You have pictures! How wonderful! I wonder if I could sweet >> talk you >> into sending me a copy? Huh? Huh? PULEEZE! >> >> Shirley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dmward@juno.com <dmward@juno.com> >> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: December 18, 1999 10:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Who are these people? >> >> >> >Yes, Catherine is buried at McCullough and is my great great great >> >grandmother. Her daughter, Mary Salany Elizabeth Shiver married >> John >> >Gilbert Hall and all three are buried together. Her son Samuel is >> buried >> >next to her. Several of John and Mary's children are buried around >> them. >> >I have a photo of Catherine as well as Mary and John. Dan >> > >> >On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:14:25 -0500 "William Cassady" >> ><cassady@gulftel.com> writes: >> >> I was at a small cemetery in McCullough, Alabama earlier today, >> and >> >> found >> >> the following Shiver headstones: >> >> John T. Shiver Lulu V. Shiver >> >> Jan 24, 1897 March 21, 1897 >> >> Jan 26, 1968 June 7, 1960 >> >> >> >> >> >> Father Mother >> >> Thomas J. Shiver Mary P. Shiver >> >> Feb 17, 1862 Nov 10, 1869 >> >> Mar 17, 1948 March 5, 1947 >> >> >> >> Catherine Shiver This headstone was in the Hall section >> of >> >> the >> >> cemetery. >> >> 1830 - 1927 >> >> >> >> I believe Catherine Shiver was Catherine May Cooper, daughter >> of >> >> Samuel >> >> Cooper and Mary Prestwood. Catherine was the second wife of Jacob >> >> Shiver >> >> III, and the birth and death years are correct for her. I know >> that >> >> the Cain >> >> book says that she died in Dale County, and is buried in Mt. >> Olive >> >> Cemetery >> >> in Rockyhead, Ala. but I've found that Cain's batting average >> isn't >> >> that >> >> great! If one of her daughters married a Hall, it could explain >> why >> >> she was >> >> there in that section. >> >> Can anyone identify these Shivers, and confirm my thoughts >> about >> >> Catherine? >> >> >> >> Bill Cassady >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >

Sorry guys. Wish it was so, but to prevent various and sundry viruses being distributed through Rootsweb's mailing lists, attachments are not allowed on their lists. I know it would be a quicker solution, but unfortunately Dan, you're going to have to just get everyone's e-mail addresses that want them and do a mass mailing. But aren't we all excited that someone has pictures! I have received some of Manning and Elizabeth as well as of some of their descendants and plan to get those up on the web site over the Christmas break. Be looking for an announcement to the list concerning the web page enhancements! :-) Happy Holidays! Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Dan, It might be easier just to send the pix to the maillist and be done with it....LOL Harry At 11:53 AM 12/19/99 -0800, you wrote: >Dan - > >Time for me to chime in here.... :-) I would love a copy of the pictures >of Catherine too (or her parents/children if you have them), and yes, my >e-mail accepts attachments! :-) > >Mary Kathryn >-- >Mary Kathryn Kozy >mkozy@attglobal.net >My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ >South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ >Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ >Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ >Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/ > >

Take anything you have. Don't doubt that this book is short a good many place names. Never know where you are going to find Shivers buried.

Dan - Time for me to chime in here.... :-) I would love a copy of the pictures of Catherine too (or her parents/children if you have them), and yes, my e-mail accepts attachments! :-) Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Jim - All you need to do is to subscribe to the list via e-mail. Send a message with "subscribe" in the subject and body to <SHIVER-L-request@rootsweb.com>. Then, after you receive your confirmation notification, you can send any queries you'd like to: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com>. You will also start receiving messages that others send to the list. -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Dan, Yes, my e-mail accepts attachments. Bill

Great IDEA!!!!