I believe this was because he died intestate as I remember seeing that somewhere.

No, the Larry I refered to in my msg is the Larry Shiver who was (is?) with the ATB. He used to live in New Caney area, then moved to Woodlands. Haford's son died in Mar of 1977. Haford is my husband's 1st cousin. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: Jim Shiver <eic@strato.net> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 11, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shirley Turner Shiver <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> >To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 9:29 AM >Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: CoCo10551@aol.com <CoCo10551@aol.com> >>To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: January 10, 2000 08:25 AM >>Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. >> >>Mary: Did you want a copy of the pages from the D.E. Cain book? I found >it >>in the Conroe library, but it wasn't there when I went back this summer. >> >>We lived in Conroe from 1971 till 1997. My youngest son still lives there, >>and his next oldest brother is in Port Arthur. Are you related to the >>Shiver group around New Caney? The reason I ask, is, it's just a small >>world! >> >>While I was in Conroe, I tried several times to make contact with the >>Shiver's I found in the phone book - one older gentleman, (can't remember >>his given name) said "I don't know nuthin about my family." - even talked >>to Larry Shiver's wife, once. But, I guess they just aren't interested in >>tracing family. >> >>Shirley >> >> >>>Mary Foy >>>1710 Dabney Dr. >>>Pasadena, Texas 77502 >>>I'll send money for expenses >>> >>>Shirley is this Larry Shiver the son of Haford Shiver of Wauchula, Fl >> >> > >

-----Original Message----- From: Shirley Turner Shiver <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > >-----Original Message----- >From: CoCo10551@aol.com <CoCo10551@aol.com> >To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: January 10, 2000 08:25 AM >Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > >Mary: Did you want a copy of the pages from the D.E. Cain book? I found it >in the Conroe library, but it wasn't there when I went back this summer. > >We lived in Conroe from 1971 till 1997. My youngest son still lives there, >and his next oldest brother is in Port Arthur. Are you related to the >Shiver group around New Caney? The reason I ask, is, it's just a small >world! > >While I was in Conroe, I tried several times to make contact with the >Shiver's I found in the phone book - one older gentleman, (can't remember >his given name) said "I don't know nuthin about my family." - even talked >to Larry Shiver's wife, once. But, I guess they just aren't interested in >tracing family. > >Shirley > > >>Mary Foy >>1710 Dabney Dr. >>Pasadena, Texas 77502 >>I'll send money for expenses >> >>Shirley is this Larry Shiver the son of Haford Shiver of Wauchula, Fl > >

-----Original Message----- From: CoCo10551@aol.com <CoCo10551@aol.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 10, 2000 08:25 AM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. Mary: Did you want a copy of the pages from the D.E. Cain book? I found it in the Conroe library, but it wasn't there when I went back this summer. We lived in Conroe from 1971 till 1997. My youngest son still lives there, and his next oldest brother is in Port Arthur. Are you related to the Shiver group around New Caney? The reason I ask, is, it's just a small world! While I was in Conroe, I tried several times to make contact with the Shiver's I found in the phone book - one older gentleman, (can't remember his given name) said "I don't know nuthin about my family." - even talked to Larry Shiver's wife, once. But, I guess they just aren't interested in tracing family. Shirley >Mary Foy >1710 Dabney Dr. >Pasadena, Texas 77502 >I'll send money for expenses > >

I found in the Bibb County Telegraph 1833-1839 the following information: Thursday 4/2/1835 vol9 #41 Sheriff's property sales Lot 4 13th dist. Property of Samuel Gilmore fifa of John Martin and William Fail and one other of Enoch Shiver. This is just for information purposes only.

Hi Shirley - I too would like a copy of the Cain Info and will reimburse you for any expense Jill Shiver 6417 Cranbrook NE Albuquerque, N M 87111 Thank you

Dear James Do you have Shirley's e-mail I too may need this but don't know for sure. Would like her to check on something for me before putting her to all the trouble of sending it to me. Gail Please reply to regular e-mail at embracer@strato.net Please reply to embracer532@hotmail.com with large attachments Thanks, Gail Moore

How can I be removed from this list? CoCo10551@aol.com wrote: > Mary Foy > 1710 Dabney Dr. > Pasadena, Texas 77502 > I'll send money for expenses

Snail-mail address, please. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: James Shivers <shivers@mebtel.net> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 09, 2000 05:53 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. >Shirley Turner Shiver wrote "" >I have seen the book D.E. Cain wrote. There used to be a copy in the >Montgomery County, Texas library. When I was there this summer, the book >had disappeared!. I DO have copies of the SHIVER, PRESTWOOD, and >PELHAM/JONES pages. Even though the book is full of errors, it is still >useful. If anyone would like copies of these copies, let me have your >snail-mail, and I'll send them > >I would like a copy please. > >James Shivers >Shivers@mebtel.net > > > >

Snail-mail address, please! Shirley -----Original Message----- From: CoCo10551@aol.com <CoCo10551@aol.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 09, 2000 05:38 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > I would like a copy. >Mary Foy > >

P.J.: I live in Millington - where is Bluff City? Shirley -----Original Message----- From: "P.J." <bigwayne@preferred.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 09, 2000 05:59 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. >I would appreciate a copy. Please advise of any costs incurred in sending >this to me. >Snail address is : P.J. Shiver > 356 Buffalo Road #34 > Bluff City, TN 37618 >----- Original Message ----- >From: <CoCo10551@aol.com> >To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 6:36 PM >Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > >> I would like a copy. >> Mary Foy >> > >

I do not wamt to be removed. I Would like a copy of Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr.

Mary Foy 1710 Dabney Dr. Pasadena, Texas 77502 I'll send money for expenses

Shirley - Of course you KNOW I want them! :-) I also sent a response to Judy that you forwarded to me. I've requested additional information so that I can hopefully help her better! Thanks for the info! Mary Kathryn 17523 S.E. 292nd Pl. Kent, WA 98042 -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

Shirley Turner Shiver wrote "" I have seen the book D.E. Cain wrote. There used to be a copy in the Montgomery County, Texas library. When I was there this summer, the book had disappeared!. I DO have copies of the SHIVER, PRESTWOOD, and PELHAM/JONES pages. Even though the book is full of errors, it is still useful. If anyone would like copies of these copies, let me have your snail-mail, and I'll send them I would like a copy please. James Shivers Shivers@mebtel.net

Would love to have a copy. thanks. Dan Ward 3515 Stefani Rd. Cantonment, Fl. 32533 On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:50:34 -0600 "Shirley Turner Shiver" <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> writes: > I have seen the book D.E. Cain wrote. There used to be a copy in the > Montgomery County, Texas library. When I was there this summer, the > book > had disappeared!. I DO have copies of the SHIVER, PRESTWOOD, and > PELHAM/JONES pages. Even though the book is full of errors, it is > still > useful. If anyone would like copies of these copies, let me have > your > snail-mail, and I'll send them. > > Shirley Turner Shiver > > -----Original Message----- > From: JohnArden@aol.com <JohnArden@aol.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: January 09, 2000 02:26 PM > Subject: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > > >Being everyone is so quiet, thought I would put up one of the old > letters > >from my file and this was dated June 14, 1982, from the late D.E. > Cain, Sr, > >who lived in Enterprise, AL, about 20 miles from my home. We never > met. > At > >top of this letter is handwritten: Jane Shiver Wingate, Daughter > of Gussie > >W. Davis, lives in Headland. > > > >Headland is just north of Dothan. > > > >Dear Mr. Shiver: > > > >I am doing some research on the Shiver and Prestwood familys. Here > I might > >mention here that the Shiver and Prestwood familys have inter > married into > >each > >others familys ever sense they all lived in Wilkinson County, > Georgia. We > >have traced the Shivers and the Prestwoods farther back than in > Wilkinson > >County, Georgia. In fact they come to this country from Germany. > They > first > >settled in the Isle of Wight County, Virginia (he has us confused > with the > >early Shivers family), before they findly settled down in Coffee, > Dale and > >Pike County, Alabama. > > > >These familys together with others left Georgia and they cross the > >Chattachoochee > >River near Eufaula, Alabama. They then went clear across the state > and s > >ettled for a short time in Green County. They then turn back > almost back > >tracking them self > >before settling in Coffee and Dale County. Mr. Shiver, I want to > ask you > if > >you were a part of these Shiver family, and if you could tell me > which one > of > >these were your forefathers. There is A Abner B. and his wife Mary > Shiver. > >They live near the Rockyhead Community and are buried in the Mt. > Olive > >Cemeterey near the Rockyhead Baptist Church. Then there wee an > A.S. (Abe) > >and Sarah Snellgrove Shiver. They are buried in the Ariton > Cemetery. > > > >This Abe (A.S.), Shiver was my wife uncle. The only thing we been > able to > >get on this family was, that they had two daughters. Mattie we are > told > >married Dr. Roy Hart Norris, and the other Lucretia married R.S. > Woolfolk. > >We do not know if they were other children in this family, so I > wonder in > you > >know any thing that will help to clear this up. > > > >Now let me tell you my connection into this Shiver family. My wife > Lena > was > >the daughter of John THomas and Hellena Milstead Shiver. John T > was the > son > >of Samuel Augustus and Sarah Prestwood Shiver. Samuel A was the > son of > >Jacob Jr. and Sarah Shiver. I am retired and sense my retirement > this has > >become my hobby. I have just finished a book on my family history, > and if > I > >can get enuff material on thse family I would like to have a small > book > >publish on these familys. End of letter. > > > >I have several more from same timeframe but thought this might be > interesting > >to some of you. > > > > >

I would appreciate a copy. Please advise of any costs incurred in sending this to me. Snail address is : P.J. Shiver 356 Buffalo Road #34 Bluff City, TN 37618 ----- Original Message ----- From: <CoCo10551@aol.com> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > I would like a copy. > Mary Foy >

I would like a copy. My address is 60 Portage Lane, Sharpsburg, GA 30277. I'll be glad to send postage and pay for the copies. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Turner Shiver <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > I have seen the book D.E. Cain wrote. There used to be a copy in the > Montgomery County, Texas library. When I was there this summer, the book > had disappeared!. I DO have copies of the SHIVER, PRESTWOOD, and > PELHAM/JONES pages. Even though the book is full of errors, it is still > useful. If anyone would like copies of these copies, let me have your > snail-mail, and I'll send them. > > Shirley Turner Shiver > > -----Original Message----- > From: JohnArden@aol.com <JohnArden@aol.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: January 09, 2000 02:26 PM > Subject: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > > >Being everyone is so quiet, thought I would put up one of the old letters > >from my file and this was dated June 14, 1982, from the late D.E. Cain, Sr, > >who lived in Enterprise, AL, about 20 miles from my home. We never met. > At > >top of this letter is handwritten: Jane Shiver Wingate, Daughter of Gussie > >W. Davis, lives in Headland. > > > >Headland is just north of Dothan. > > > >Dear Mr. Shiver: > > > >I am doing some research on the Shiver and Prestwood familys. Here I might > >mention here that the Shiver and Prestwood familys have inter married into > >each > >others familys ever sense they all lived in Wilkinson County, Georgia. We > >have traced the Shivers and the Prestwoods farther back than in Wilkinson > >County, Georgia. In fact they come to this country from Germany. They > first > >settled in the Isle of Wight County, Virginia (he has us confused with the > >early Shivers family), before they findly settled down in Coffee, Dale and > >Pike County, Alabama. > > > >These familys together with others left Georgia and they cross the > >Chattachoochee > >River near Eufaula, Alabama. They then went clear across the state and s > >ettled for a short time in Green County. They then turn back almost back > >tracking them self > >before settling in Coffee and Dale County. Mr. Shiver, I want to ask you > if > >you were a part of these Shiver family, and if you could tell me which one > of > >these were your forefathers. There is A Abner B. and his wife Mary Shiver. > >They live near the Rockyhead Community and are buried in the Mt. Olive > >Cemeterey near the Rockyhead Baptist Church. Then there wee an A.S. (Abe) > >and Sarah Snellgrove Shiver. They are buried in the Ariton Cemetery. > > > >This Abe (A.S.), Shiver was my wife uncle. The only thing we been able to > >get on this family was, that they had two daughters. Mattie we are told > >married Dr. Roy Hart Norris, and the other Lucretia married R.S. Woolfolk. > >We do not know if they were other children in this family, so I wonder in > you > >know any thing that will help to clear this up. > > > >Now let me tell you my connection into this Shiver family. My wife Lena > was > >the daughter of John THomas and Hellena Milstead Shiver. John T was the > son > >of Samuel Augustus and Sarah Prestwood Shiver. Samuel A was the son of > >Jacob Jr. and Sarah Shiver. I am retired and sense my retirement this has > >become my hobby. I have just finished a book on my family history, and if > I > >can get enuff material on thse family I would like to have a small book > >publish on these familys. End of letter. > > > >I have several more from same timeframe but thought this might be > interesting > >to some of you. > > > > > >

I have seen the book D.E. Cain wrote. There used to be a copy in the Montgomery County, Texas library. When I was there this summer, the book had disappeared!. I DO have copies of the SHIVER, PRESTWOOD, and PELHAM/JONES pages. Even though the book is full of errors, it is still useful. If anyone would like copies of these copies, let me have your snail-mail, and I'll send them. Shirley Turner Shiver -----Original Message----- From: JohnArden@aol.com <JohnArden@aol.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 09, 2000 02:26 PM Subject: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. >Being everyone is so quiet, thought I would put up one of the old letters >from my file and this was dated June 14, 1982, from the late D.E. Cain, Sr, >who lived in Enterprise, AL, about 20 miles from my home. We never met. At >top of this letter is handwritten: Jane Shiver Wingate, Daughter of Gussie >W. Davis, lives in Headland. > >Headland is just north of Dothan. > >Dear Mr. Shiver: > >I am doing some research on the Shiver and Prestwood familys. Here I might >mention here that the Shiver and Prestwood familys have inter married into >each >others familys ever sense they all lived in Wilkinson County, Georgia. We >have traced the Shivers and the Prestwoods farther back than in Wilkinson >County, Georgia. In fact they come to this country from Germany. They first >settled in the Isle of Wight County, Virginia (he has us confused with the >early Shivers family), before they findly settled down in Coffee, Dale and >Pike County, Alabama. > >These familys together with others left Georgia and they cross the >Chattachoochee >River near Eufaula, Alabama. They then went clear across the state and s >ettled for a short time in Green County. They then turn back almost back >tracking them self >before settling in Coffee and Dale County. Mr. Shiver, I want to ask you if >you were a part of these Shiver family, and if you could tell me which one of >these were your forefathers. There is A Abner B. and his wife Mary Shiver. >They live near the Rockyhead Community and are buried in the Mt. Olive >Cemeterey near the Rockyhead Baptist Church. Then there wee an A.S. (Abe) >and Sarah Snellgrove Shiver. They are buried in the Ariton Cemetery. > >This Abe (A.S.), Shiver was my wife uncle. The only thing we been able to >get on this family was, that they had two daughters. Mattie we are told >married Dr. Roy Hart Norris, and the other Lucretia married R.S. Woolfolk. >We do not know if they were other children in this family, so I wonder in you >know any thing that will help to clear this up. > >Now let me tell you my connection into this Shiver family. My wife Lena was >the daughter of John THomas and Hellena Milstead Shiver. John T was the son >of Samuel Augustus and Sarah Prestwood Shiver. Samuel A was the son of >Jacob Jr. and Sarah Shiver. I am retired and sense my retirement this has >become my hobby. I have just finished a book on my family history, and if I >can get enuff material on thse family I would like to have a small book >publish on these familys. End of letter. > >I have several more from same timeframe but thought this might be interesting >to some of you. > >

I would like a copy. Mary Foy