Sandra, thanks. Mary K has already suggested that we post them on her website, and I say, the more the merrier! I haven't got them scanned, yet, but will soon...got a paying customer yesterday, so my own stuff has to wait for a couple of days. then, I'll send them one at a time to keep from jamming up your box...do you have ICQ? It's a better, faster way to send than regular e-mail. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: Sam Baxley <thomasat@alaweb.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 13, 2000 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. >Hi- Looks like you have more requests than one person can do. If you would >like (I'm a descendant of Daniel and Unity Shiver) I would be happy to put >the pages on my web site for anyone to look at who wants to. > >Sandra Taylor > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <dmward@juno.com> >To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 5:41 PM >Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > >> Would love to have a copy. thanks. >> >> Dan Ward >> 3515 Stefani Rd. >> Cantonment, Fl. 32533 >> >> On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:50:34 -0600 "Shirley Turner Shiver" >> <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> writes: >> > I have seen the book D.E. Cain wrote. There used to be a copy in the >> > Montgomery County, Texas library. When I was there this summer, the >> > book >> > had disappeared!. I DO have copies of the SHIVER, PRESTWOOD, and >> > PELHAM/JONES pages. Even though the book is full of errors, it is >> > still >> > useful. If anyone would like copies of these copies, let me have >> > your >> > snail-mail, and I'll send them. >> > >> > Shirley Turner Shiver >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: JohnArden@aol.com <JohnArden@aol.com> >> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Date: January 09, 2000 02:26 PM >> > Subject: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. >> > >> > >> > >Being everyone is so quiet, thought I would put up one of the old >> > letters >> > >from my file and this was dated June 14, 1982, from the late D.E. >> > Cain, Sr, >> > >who lived in Enterprise, AL, about 20 miles from my home. We never >> > met. >> > At >> > >top of this letter is handwritten: Jane Shiver Wingate, Daughter >> > of Gussie >> > >W. Davis, lives in Headland. >> > > >> > >Headland is just north of Dothan. >> > > >> > >Dear Mr. Shiver: >> > > >> > >I am doing some research on the Shiver and Prestwood familys. Here >> > I might >> > >mention here that the Shiver and Prestwood familys have inter >> > married into >> > >each >> > >others familys ever sense they all lived in Wilkinson County, >> > Georgia. We >> > >have traced the Shivers and the Prestwoods farther back than in >> > Wilkinson >> > >County, Georgia. In fact they come to this country from Germany. >> > They >> > first >> > >settled in the Isle of Wight County, Virginia (he has us confused >> > with the >> > >early Shivers family), before they findly settled down in Coffee, >> > Dale and >> > >Pike County, Alabama. >> > > >> > >These familys together with others left Georgia and they cross the >> > >Chattachoochee >> > >River near Eufaula, Alabama. They then went clear across the state >> > and s >> > >ettled for a short time in Green County. They then turn back >> > almost back >> > >tracking them self >> > >before settling in Coffee and Dale County. Mr. Shiver, I want to >> > ask you >> > if >> > >you were a part of these Shiver family, and if you could tell me >> > which one >> > of >> > >these were your forefathers. There is A Abner B. and his wife Mary >> > Shiver. >> > >They live near the Rockyhead Community and are buried in the Mt. >> > Olive >> > >Cemeterey near the Rockyhead Baptist Church. Then there wee an >> > A.S. (Abe) >> > >and Sarah Snellgrove Shiver. They are buried in the Ariton >> > Cemetery. >> > > >> > >This Abe (A.S.), Shiver was my wife uncle. The only thing we been >> > able to >> > >get on this family was, that they had two daughters. Mattie we are >> > told >> > >married Dr. Roy Hart Norris, and the other Lucretia married R.S. >> > Woolfolk. >> > >We do not know if they were other children in this family, so I >> > wonder in >> > you >> > >know any thing that will help to clear this up. >> > > >> > >Now let me tell you my connection into this Shiver family. My wife >> > Lena >> > was >> > >the daughter of John THomas and Hellena Milstead Shiver. John T >> > was the >> > son >> > >of Samuel Augustus and Sarah Prestwood Shiver. Samuel A was the >> > son of >> > >Jacob Jr. and Sarah Shiver. I am retired and sense my retirement >> > this has >> > >become my hobby. I have just finished a book on my family history, >> > and if >> > I >> > >can get enuff material on thse family I would like to have a small >> > book >> > >publish on these familys. End of letter. >> > > >> > >I have several more from same timeframe but thought this might be >> > interesting >> > >to some of you. >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > >

Hi- Looks like you have more requests than one person can do. If you would like (I'm a descendant of Daniel and Unity Shiver) I would be happy to put the pages on my web site for anyone to look at who wants to. Sandra Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: <dmward@juno.com> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > Would love to have a copy. thanks. > > Dan Ward > 3515 Stefani Rd. > Cantonment, Fl. 32533 > > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:50:34 -0600 "Shirley Turner Shiver" > <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> writes: > > I have seen the book D.E. Cain wrote. There used to be a copy in the > > Montgomery County, Texas library. When I was there this summer, the > > book > > had disappeared!. I DO have copies of the SHIVER, PRESTWOOD, and > > PELHAM/JONES pages. Even though the book is full of errors, it is > > still > > useful. If anyone would like copies of these copies, let me have > > your > > snail-mail, and I'll send them. > > > > Shirley Turner Shiver > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JohnArden@aol.com <JohnArden@aol.com> > > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: January 09, 2000 02:26 PM > > Subject: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > > > > > >Being everyone is so quiet, thought I would put up one of the old > > letters > > >from my file and this was dated June 14, 1982, from the late D.E. > > Cain, Sr, > > >who lived in Enterprise, AL, about 20 miles from my home. We never > > met. > > At > > >top of this letter is handwritten: Jane Shiver Wingate, Daughter > > of Gussie > > >W. Davis, lives in Headland. > > > > > >Headland is just north of Dothan. > > > > > >Dear Mr. Shiver: > > > > > >I am doing some research on the Shiver and Prestwood familys. Here > > I might > > >mention here that the Shiver and Prestwood familys have inter > > married into > > >each > > >others familys ever sense they all lived in Wilkinson County, > > Georgia. We > > >have traced the Shivers and the Prestwoods farther back than in > > Wilkinson > > >County, Georgia. In fact they come to this country from Germany. > > They > > first > > >settled in the Isle of Wight County, Virginia (he has us confused > > with the > > >early Shivers family), before they findly settled down in Coffee, > > Dale and > > >Pike County, Alabama. > > > > > >These familys together with others left Georgia and they cross the > > >Chattachoochee > > >River near Eufaula, Alabama. They then went clear across the state > > and s > > >ettled for a short time in Green County. They then turn back > > almost back > > >tracking them self > > >before settling in Coffee and Dale County. Mr. Shiver, I want to > > ask you > > if > > >you were a part of these Shiver family, and if you could tell me > > which one > > of > > >these were your forefathers. There is A Abner B. and his wife Mary > > Shiver. > > >They live near the Rockyhead Community and are buried in the Mt. > > Olive > > >Cemeterey near the Rockyhead Baptist Church. Then there wee an > > A.S. (Abe) > > >and Sarah Snellgrove Shiver. They are buried in the Ariton > > Cemetery. > > > > > >This Abe (A.S.), Shiver was my wife uncle. The only thing we been > > able to > > >get on this family was, that they had two daughters. Mattie we are > > told > > >married Dr. Roy Hart Norris, and the other Lucretia married R.S. > > Woolfolk. > > >We do not know if they were other children in this family, so I > > wonder in > > you > > >know any thing that will help to clear this up. > > > > > >Now let me tell you my connection into this Shiver family. My wife > > Lena > > was > > >the daughter of John THomas and Hellena Milstead Shiver. John T > > was the > > son > > >of Samuel Augustus and Sarah Prestwood Shiver. Samuel A was the > > son of > > >Jacob Jr. and Sarah Shiver. I am retired and sense my retirement > > this has > > >become my hobby. I have just finished a book on my family history, > > and if > > I > > >can get enuff material on thse family I would like to have a small > > book > > >publish on these familys. End of letter. > > > > > >I have several more from same timeframe but thought this might be > > interesting > > >to some of you. > > > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 01/13/2000 5:28:50 PM Central Standard Time, JohnArden@aol.com writes: << Who were the grandchildren in Dothan that you talked to? >> I talked to Durley Cook when I was in Ala and to her brother. I think his name was J. A. or J. C. Durley told me that she would fill out some family group sheets on her family if I sent them to her. I plan to do that this week. Her father was John Shiver. He was a brother of my grandmother. Mary

This is John A. Shiver in Dothan. Who were the grandchildren in Dothan that you talked to?

Linda Ciparro - lciparro@aol.com

In a message dated 1/13/00 9:01:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, shirleyt@bellsouth.net writes: << I have in my database an ARTHUR SHIVER (b abt 1902), son of Abijah SHIVER and Georgia Ann SENN; wife Bernice ROBINSON. Is this the person the obit refers to? >> Shirley, One of my internet "cousins" told me about the AA Shiver obit, she also sent me this information from "The McLendon" book: Arlton Artis Shiver b 10-10-1902 was the son of Shadie Senn & Jackson Shiver. I have not seen the McLendon book nor do I have proof that Arlton Artis Shiver was the son of Shadie Senn & Jackson Shiver. Thanks, Maggie

I have in my database an ARTHUR SHIVER (b abt 1902), son of Abijah SHIVER and Georgia Ann SENN; wife Bernice ROBINSON. Is this the person the obit refers to? Shirley Turner Shiver -----Original Message----- From: MRipke@aol.com <MRipke@aol.com> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 12, 2000 05:42 PM Subject: [SHIVER] A.A. Shiver Obit >For anyone researching the Pike Co, Al Shiver's, you might be interested in >this....Maggie > >Troy, Al 1-12-2000 >Troy Messenger Newspaper > >A.A. Shiver >A.A. Shiver, 97, of Pike Manor Health Care Center, formerly of Hamilton >Crossroads, died Tuesday, Jan. 11, 2000 at Edge Regional Medical Center. > >Services will be held at 2:30 p.m., Thursday, Jan. 13 at Hamilton Crossroads >Church of Christ with the Rev. Doug Williams of Hamilton Crossroads in >Brundidge presiding. Burial will follow at Hamilton Crossroads in Brundidge >with Dillard Funeral Home directing. > >Survivors include wife, Willie Lou Galloway Shiver; children, Sue (Charles >D.) Brown of Banks; Max A. (Judy) Shiver of Troy; Jack B. Shiver of Savannah, >Tenn.; Juanita Curtis of Troy; Bettie (Chuck) NeSmith of Brunswick, Ga.; >Martha J. (Clifford) Lyons of Muskogee, Okla.; William C. Shiver of Macon, >Ga.; 20 grandchildren; 27 great-grandchildren; six great-great-grandchildren; >sister, Ocie Chapman of Brundidge; stepchildren, Bill (Patty) Galloway of >Uniontown; Francis M. (Faye) Galloway of Troy; Lou (Mary Ann) Galloway of >Brundidge. > >Pallbearers will be Charles Bray, Terry Lyons, Dr. Ron Shiver, Todd Shiver, >Paul Shiver, Dr. Grady Bray, Kelly Shiver, Mack A. Curtis, Jr., and Michael >Appling. > >Flowers will be appreciated, however, the family request that memorials be >made to the Hamilton Crossroads Church of Christ. > >Visitation will be from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 12. The body will >lie in state one hour prior to the funeral. > >

nshiv@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Turner Shiver <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: [SHIVER] RE: Book Copies > Hi: > > Will the following ( and anyone else who wants copies of pages from the book I have) please send me your e-mail address: > Nancy Shiver > Jill Shiver > Laura Hays > > I have e-mail address for: > Mary Kozy > Dan Ward > P.J. Shiver > Carol Spear Stewart > Mary Foy > > I'm going to try sending this data by e-mail. That way, I'll save on copy cost, postage, driving into Memphis (I HATE driving into town!), etc., and you will get your data quicker. NOTICE I will wait till I get all the e-mail addresses before I begin sending. I know, I should have them, but I became alarmingly efficient in the last few days, and deleted a LOT of old e-mail! > > Since the pages take up a good bit of memory (even though I've reduced them from full to quarter page), I'll only send one a day till all pages have been sent. The files will come in designated as "Page ###", beginning with page 287 through 319. > > I saved a page (*.bmp {Windows bitmap} file), then printed it out, and it was remarkably clear, BUT, if any of you have problems, can't read the pages, they don't print right for you, etc, let me know and we'll do it the old fashioned way.. > > Shirley Turner Shiver > >

Hi Mary K, I show the same children for Jacob Shiver Jr. and Sara Ann Swilley as you, plus two more. They are (1) Dorcus Shiver, b. abt 1810 in Ga, d. 16 Sept 1895 in Coffee County, AL, and buried in the Howell Farm Cemetery in Coffee County and (2) Elizabeth Shiver, b. 16 Mar 1828 in Wilkinson County, Ga, d. 1906.. Dorcus married John McIntosh, and Elizabeth married Henry Snellgrove. When Sarah Ann (Swilley) Shiver died, all of her children, and their spouses, are named as heirs to her estate, except Elizabeth and Henry Snellgrove, so I have a question mark about her. Also, there is a question about the date of birth of Samuel James Augustus Shiver, You show 10 Apr 1815, I show 10 Apr 1823, and D.E. Cain shows 10 Apr 1825. There is a family cemetery on the Howell farm in Coffee County, AL, which has several McIntosh graves (this may have been the McIntosh farm many years ago). One of the gravestones says:" Dorcus, wife of John McIntosh, died 9/16/1895, she died at 85". I'm sure she wasn't Dorcus Emaline "Duck" Shiver, since she married Barry Arnette. Mary Shiver married Chapman Motley on 12 Sept 1839 in Greene County, Al. They had 9 children; one was a daughter, Susan Motley, b. 1854 in Alabama, died 10 July 1939 in Coffee County. Susan Motley married Dan McIntosh, son of John McIntosh and Dorcus Shiver. Dan and Susan are buried in the Howell farm cemetery, near Dorcus Shiver McIntosh. In Jacob Shiver III's will in item 10 he mentions Dorcus McIntosh, and in item 12, he appoints brothers, Samuel and Nicholas, and C. S. Motley as his excutors. Hope this clears things up a little. Bill Cassady

In a message dated 01/11/2000 8:31:22 AM Central Standard Time, shirleyt@bellsouth.net writes: << Are you related to the Shiver group around New Caney? The reason I ask, is, it's just a small >> I don't know. I've talked to some Shivers but haven't found any that knew or were interested in family history. My Great Grand Father lived in Alabama. I haven't gotten past him. I have been in contact with some of his grandchildren in Dothan but they don't know anything about him other than the fact that he had 3 brother who died in the civil war and that he was in the civil war They don't know his brothers names So you use to live in Houston. We were almost neighbors. I live in Pasadena. You probably know where that is. My son lives inside the loop in Houston. I haven't been to Conroe's library. May check it out sometime. Mary

Gail Moore want them too!! embracer@strato.net thanks much, Gail Please reply to regular e-mail at embracer@strato.net Please reply to embracer532@hotmail.com with large attachments Thanks, Gail Moore

Hi: Will the following ( and anyone else who wants copies of pages from the book I have) please send me your e-mail address: Nancy Shiver Jill Shiver Laura Hays I have e-mail address for: Mary Kozy Dan Ward P.J. Shiver Carol Spear Stewart Mary Foy I'm going to try sending this data by e-mail. That way, I'll save on copy cost, postage, driving into Memphis (I HATE driving into town!), etc., and you will get your data quicker. NOTICE I will wait till I get all the e-mail addresses before I begin sending. I know, I should have them, but I became alarmingly efficient in the last few days, and deleted a LOT of old e-mail! Since the pages take up a good bit of memory (even though I've reduced them from full to quarter page), I'll only send one a day till all pages have been sent. The files will come in designated as "Page ###", beginning with page 287 through 319. I saved a page (*.bmp {Windows bitmap} file), then printed it out, and it was remarkably clear, BUT, if any of you have problems, can't read the pages, they don't print right for you, etc, let me know and we'll do it the old fashioned way.. Shirley Turner Shiver

For anyone researching the Pike Co, Al Shiver's, you might be interested in this....Maggie Troy, Al 1-12-2000 Troy Messenger Newspaper A.A. Shiver A.A. Shiver, 97, of Pike Manor Health Care Center, formerly of Hamilton Crossroads, died Tuesday, Jan. 11, 2000 at Edge Regional Medical Center. Services will be held at 2:30 p.m., Thursday, Jan. 13 at Hamilton Crossroads Church of Christ with the Rev. Doug Williams of Hamilton Crossroads in Brundidge presiding. Burial will follow at Hamilton Crossroads in Brundidge with Dillard Funeral Home directing. Survivors include wife, Willie Lou Galloway Shiver; children, Sue (Charles D.) Brown of Banks; Max A. (Judy) Shiver of Troy; Jack B. Shiver of Savannah, Tenn.; Juanita Curtis of Troy; Bettie (Chuck) NeSmith of Brunswick, Ga.; Martha J. (Clifford) Lyons of Muskogee, Okla.; William C. Shiver of Macon, Ga.; 20 grandchildren; 27 great-grandchildren; six great-great-grandchildren; sister, Ocie Chapman of Brundidge; stepchildren, Bill (Patty) Galloway of Uniontown; Francis M. (Faye) Galloway of Troy; Lou (Mary Ann) Galloway of Brundidge. Pallbearers will be Charles Bray, Terry Lyons, Dr. Ron Shiver, Todd Shiver, Paul Shiver, Dr. Grady Bray, Kelly Shiver, Mack A. Curtis, Jr., and Michael Appling. Flowers will be appreciated, however, the family request that memorials be made to the Hamilton Crossroads Church of Christ. Visitation will be from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m., Wednesday, Jan. 12. The body will lie in state one hour prior to the funeral.

Dear James: Does the name Hardee appear in your line of Shivers sometimes with James as a first name. Sometimes John Hardee Shivers as well?? Gail Please reply to regular e-mail at embracer@strato.net Please reply to embracer532@hotmail.com with large attachments Thanks, Gail Moore

Bill - I don't even have a Dorcus listed as a daughter of Jacob. I'd be interested to know what other children you have listed for Jacob. If you take a look at my "2Jacobs" page on the web site, you'll see who I have listed and what I have for them. I noticed that Jacob (who married Sara Ann SWILLEY)'s son, Jacob (who married Catherine COOPER) had a daughter named Dorcas Emaline. Could these have gotten intermingled? I didn't have the information on who Mary married either... (Jacob who md. Catherine COOPER also had a daughter named Mary, and a daughter named Gilley who md. a BARTLETT (as listed in Jacob's will of 1859). Can you help me straighten this out? I'd be VERY grateful! :-) Mary Kathryn -- Mary Kathryn Kozy mkozy@attglobal.net My Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy/ South King Co. Gene. Soc. page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ Dougherty Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadoughe/ Monroe Co., GA USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamonroe/ Lawrence Co., IL USGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illawren/

I also would like a copy Linda Fredusmc2@aol.com

James: You just missed us. We moved to Millington from Houston area almost exactly two years ago! Actually, we live just north of the Tipton Co line, off Tracy Road in what was, I understand, a cotton field just three years ago! Shirley -----Original Message----- From: James Shivers <shivers@mebtel.net> To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: January 11, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. >A coincidence for sure. I was born in Memphis, had a store in Millington >off >of Highway 51. Lived in Atoka before relocating to North Carolina 2 yrs ago. > >James Shivers > >

Seeking information on Dorcus Shiver, supposedly the daughter of Jacob Shiver Jr. and Sarah Ann Swilley. My information states that Dorcus, and her sisters Gilley and Mary, were married in Greene County, Alabama in the 1830's. Gilley married William Thomas Prestwood, Mary married Chapman L. Motley, and Dorcus is suppose to have married John McIntosh. I spent yesterday at the Greene County courthouse in Eutaw, Alabama, and found the marriage records for Gilley and Mary but not Dorcus. There were no records for a John McIntosh, in Greene County. Can anyone verify/ refute/ expand as to the existence of Dorcus Shiver? Since Jacob Shiver was married to Dorcus "last name unknown", it seems reasonable that Jacob Jr. would name one of his daughters after his mother. An interesting thing happened on my way home from Greene County yesterday. I was driving south on US Highway 43, and stopped at a rest stop in Washington County. This rest area is very close to the Tombigbee River, and there was a historic marker there listing early settlers of the area. One of the names was Captain John McIntosh. And further south, I passed through a small town named McIntosh, named after it's founder. Needless-to-say, I'm going to research this further, and would greatly appreciate any information on John McIntosh. Bill Cassady

A coincidence for sure. I was born in Memphis, had a store in Millington off of Highway 51. Lived in Atoka before relocating to North Carolina 2 yrs ago. James Shivers

Shirley, Tis surely a small world ! My daughter lived in Millington until several months ago when she moved back into the Memphis area. Bluff City is in the north eastern corner of TN. We are in the country about 8 miles from Bristol, TN. The actual town of Bristol is split in half by the Tn/VA state line. Another coincidence---Mary Kathryn Cozy is my niece. Her mother is the sister to my ex-husband. Looking forward to hearing from you again ! "P.J." ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Turner Shiver <shirleyt@bellsouth.net> To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > P.J.: I live in Millington - where is Bluff City? > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: "P.J." <bigwayne@preferred.com> > To: SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: January 09, 2000 05:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > > >I would appreciate a copy. Please advise of any costs incurred in sending > >this to me. > >Snail address is : P.J. Shiver > > 356 Buffalo Road #34 > > Bluff City, TN 37618 > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <CoCo10551@aol.com> > >To: <SHIVER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 6:36 PM > >Subject: Re: [SHIVER] Old Letter from D.E. Cain, Sr. > > > > > >> I would like a copy. > >> Mary Foy > >> > > > > >