You should check those dates again. If Harry was born in 1890, he couldn't have married Emma in 1889! Something is wrong. In a message dated 01/04/2004 3:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, Poetrywaif@comcast.net writes: Dear Listers, My biggest brickwall is with my own last name. LOL. Not a living relative exists besides my father. So here is my quandry. My great grandfather was Harry Edward Crowe, (maybe his real first name, maybe not) born in Virginia abt 1890. He had a brother (maybe a cousin) Joseph. He and Joseph moved to Ohio and Harry married my great grandmother Emma C. Ahlers b abt 1889. There was a story that he was head of the Ohio numbers racket for the Detroit mob & that he got killed/commited suicide somewhere around 1949. This is told to me by my father, however, I cannot find a single death for him, I have tried every variation of Harry & have even tried using the name of Edward as a possible first name. My father also doesn't know if he really died at that time because he didn't go to a funeral. He was just told that he died and was found in the house. The only place I can find him existing, is on the census' for 1920 & 1930 in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio. "Harry" had two step ! children Leona & Elmer (Ahlers) Crowe, and two biological children Ralph Edward Crowe & Thelma Crowe. I can find information on Joseph, I have his death record, it shows his parents as being Samuel Crowe & Ida Gardner. Though on the 1900 census they show up in Rockingham County, VA w/Joseph but not Harry. Ancestry doesn't let you view this census as a picture, just as the names that appear on there (one by one). The "e" is not present on their name at this time. I know they are from the same family because of the page, roll, & line numbers given for the individual. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, I would greatly appreciate the help. My father thinks they might have been from the Roanoke/Rockingham areas of Virginia as he did go to visit relatives there often. Thank you kindly, Erin T. Crowe ==== SHENANDOAH Mailing List ==== Your support of RootsWeb helps make SHENANDOAH-L possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html