Does anyone know who the Polk was that did the portraits at Belle Grove Plantation? Thanks a lot. Jan mailto:[email protected]

I will answer each one of you that replied to my call for help with my Kagy's. It will take a little time so I just wanted to say "THANKS TO YOU ALL." This a terrific list. Peggy Denton in K.C. [email protected]

Seek information on Jonathan Cooper b. 16 Apr 1819. In a letter written by his granddaughter Manetta Maud Cooper she says he was of English descent and had two red headed sisters Myria and Marie. He was from the Shenandoah area of Virginia. He married Mary Maston (I don't know if this was in Ohio or Virginia) and they farmed in Gurnsey Co. Ohio until after the civil war when they moved to Missouri. I would like very much to know more about this family Kathleen Church

Can you assist me with my in-laws? Ancestors of George Peter FOLTZ, b. 02/22/1767 m. 01/03/1787 Mary or Mariah RUGLE probably in Shenandoah County. And her parents? Birthdate and lineage of Margaret HUMRICKHOUSER, b. 1795, Shenandoah County. Ancestors of Abraham HIZEY, b. 11/20/1795, Rockingham County, m. Elizabeth NEWMAN 08/05/1818 in the Shenandoah. And her parents? I realize spellings of these surnames will vary, but any help is appreciated. Thanks, Tim Huff

Hi Mary, AniMap is a computer program which displays county boundaries for all states for each year since the late 1700s. You can buy it for about $80. Perhaps your local Mormon Family history Library has a copy that you can use. Good luck, Bill and Loydean Allen end http://www.goldbug.com/ANPLUSAD.html -----Original Message----- From: Harold Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 1:07 AM Subject: help with county lines >Is there someone who knows all about the change in county lines for >Frederick/Dunmore/Shenandoah counties in Va? Very early records, say 1750s. >I need help with some land deeds I have found. I know my ancestor purchased >land in Frederick Co Va 1762, then it was Dunmore, it was Shenaodoah when he >sold it in 1787. > >but now in Dunmore records I have found where he sold some land in 1753, and >it says he was from Augusta Co Va. Says land was surveyed in Dec 1753. >Mentions land where he now lives......and it sounds like the same land near >Woodstock Va - but how could that be Augusta Co? > > >Mary [email protected] >

>X-From_: [email protected] Sun Feb 14 11:10:26 1999 >X-Sender: [email protected] >Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:11:04 -0800 >To: Harold Miller <[email protected]> >From: Ron Moore <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: help with county lines > >Mary > >I agree that the early dividing lines between these various counties seemed >to be very confusing until I read the book "Massanutten" by Harry >Strickler. It really helps to read the entire chapter on "Location of the >Fairfax Line" on page 20-23. My ancestor, Rudolph Mauck lived in the area >that later became Page County, VA in 1831. I thought this area was a part >of Frederick County in 1750 when he died, but his probate records are >located in Augusta County, VA. The answer I finally located was in >Strickler's book and I will quote a portion of it here. > >"The dividing line between Augusta and Frederick when the counties were >first established was in the neighborhood of Woodstock, VA. The true >Fairfax line was run in 1746 and crossed the Shenandoah River several miles >south-west of Massanuten. Massanuten was first in Spotsylvania County, then >in Orange, then in Augusta, then in Frederick, then in Shenandoah and >lastly in Page, and incidentally a fifth, Rockingham, since Adam Miller of >this settlement laid the corner stone for Rockingham. George Washington did >not run the Fairfax line." > >"In 1753 the line between the Couties of Augusta and Frederick was made >identical to the Fairfax line. Prior to that date it was north of the >Fairfax line. In 1738 when the Counties of Augusta and Frederick were >established, the dividing line was designated as running from the >head-waters of the Hedgeman River to the head-waters of the Potomac. In >1744 an Act was passed. providing that Augusta should pay her share of the >cost of running the line between the Counties, and the Act recites the fact >that Frederick had employed a surveyor to do the work. It was probably run >that year." > >"It has always been supposed and so accepted by historians that the Fairfax >line and the line between Augusta and Frederick were identical. While this >was true after 1753, before that time the dividing line was evidently >further north but not actually run until 1744. This supposition proved >confusing until I discovered these facts." > >"The whole of the Massanutten patent was in Augusta County apparently, >until 1753, when it became a part of Frederick County and wholly in the >Northern Neck after that line was definitely established in 1746" > >Although your family may not have lived in Massanutten, which is on the >other side of the mountain from Woodstock, the same concept of the changing >Fairfax line may apply. One needs to read the entire chapter in Strickler's >book to get a better understanding of it. The book is available in many >libraries. Strickler also intimates that Dr Wayland may not have had a >clear concept of this issue. > ><<Ron Moore>> >[email protected] > ><<Ron Moore>> >Listowner and Moderator >MOCK-GEN-L >[email protected] > >

Shenandoah county, VA land records thanks to Joe Baker.....guess I missed the message the first time. Now I see that a land record for 1753 could say my ancestor was from Augusta Co, when later the land would be in Frederick/Dunmore/Shenandoah. Near Woodstock, Va. I still do not know why I found these records for 1753 and 1764, a bill of sale dated 1766 - under Dunmore records, but at least I found them. (it was Dunmore from 1772-1778). I knew some of the names in other records mentioned at same time - like a Nizeley (Nicely/Knisely) and a Hawkins were also names in both Augusta, but also living near my ancestor in Frederick/Shenandoah. As a matter of fact, he sold his land in 1787 to a Bird, his son sold his to a Hawkins - these were their neighbors and I understand the Hawkins was son-in-law to Abraham Bird. Anyway, it all begins to make sense now. My ancestor probably never really moved during this time, just the county lines moved. thank you very much Mary [email protected]

Mentioned in a book "200 years in the Shenandoah Valley" by ( I think) Arthur Pierson Kelley, with records made by Paul Henkel. Aker, pfilieb and his wife, Elizabeth Albrech, Lorens his wife Elisabeth Amiel, Nicholaus: Catharinna Baghard, Johannes Barthis, Peter; Susanna Bauer, Ludwig and his wife Elisabeth Tusing, Daniel and his wife Darathea Waker, Elias and wife Marialiah Walter, Washington and his wife Margaret Wauth, Friedrich and his wife Catharina Wayland, John W. and his wife Barbera Wehtzal (Whetzel), Cornelius and his wife Christina Welty, Johannes and his wife Margareda Hope this helps someone More later from other books, Donna

Hi everyone,    Two Brothers Joseph & Reuben Smith both Rev war soldiers Came from VA to Redstone Fort are of PA then to KY by 1790s. Beleive they are both listed in the Wash Co,PA Tax list in 1785( Bethelem Twp) Joseph Smith age 89 in 1850 Hardin Co,KY ( age 71 in 1833) stated in his pension: That he was born  on the Shanandoah River in the state of Virginia from which place his  father moved to the frontier and settled near Red Stone Old Fort (now  Brownsville) then supposed to be in Pennsylvania and after the line  was layed(?) between Virginia and Pennsylvania it was ascertained that  his father resided in Pennsylvania. <snip> Where were you living when called into service? Where have you lived since the Revolutionary War and where do you now live? Answer: I was living two miles from Red Stone Old Fort (now  Browsville) on the Monongahela River in the state of Pennsylvania. I  moved to Fayette county in the state of Kentcky in the year 1788  (1786?) as well as I recollect <snip> (Affadavit attached - Robert Samuels of Bullitt county,KY certified that  "...he is acquainted with Joseph Smith who is an applicant for pension  under the Act of Congress made the 7th day of June 1832 and in the  year 1780 lived a near neighbor until the year 1784 during which time  I understood said Smith had gone out to Jackson's Fort as a spy on  guard Reuben's pension! Reuben Smith applied for pension 13 Nov 1832, age 74.  Enlisted 1777 ( pension application 1833 Floyd Co,IN) near what is now Brownsville, VA ( PA?) for 3 years.  Entitlted to 100 A.  Land.  Attached to 13th Va. Regt; later to 7th Va. Regt Officers: Capt Steele; Lt. Wm. Williams; Lt. David Williams (brother of Wm. Williams); Col John Gibson; Adj. Jacob Coleman.  Stationed at  Ft. Pitt (now  Pittsburgh). Guarded prisioners of Gen. Burgoin's  Artillery.  Hire a substitute, John Shay who was later executed.  (Pension claim W. 9659) (From: abstract of Floyd Co., IN Probate  Court Records 1830-1837, p. 100) Does anyone have any info in VA on these brothers? lonnie [email protected] USGENWEB Webpage Coordinator for Clark/Floyd Co,IN Pulaski co,KY My home page:  <http://www.dmrtc.net/%7Elonfink/wifeme.html>http://www.dmrtc.net/~lonfink/w ifeme.html Only a Genealogist regards a step backwards as "Progress"

Here is a message that Joe Baker posted a few months ago about County Lines. SHENANDOAH COUNTY, VA LAND RECORDS WHERE DO I SEARCH? References Martha W. Hiden, How Justice Grew, Virginia Counties: An Abstract of Their Formation. John. W. Wayland, A History of Shenandoah County, Virginia. >From 1721 to 1734, the Shenandoah Co., VA area was part of Spotsylvania Co. In 1734 it became part of Orange Co. The Assembly created Frederick and Augusta Cos. in 1738. Not until 1743 did Frederick have sufficient tithables and was financially able to hold court and record documents. In 1745 Augusta set up her county organization. The line at that time separating Frederick and Augusta corresponded to the original Fairfax Line, passing in or near Thorton's Gap in the Blue Ridge, crossing the Valley near Oak Hill (now in Page County, north of Luray, between Big Spring and Rileyville), St. David's Church (in Powell's Fort), and the Narrow Passage on the North Fork of the Shenandoah River (between Woodstock and present-day Edinburg). In 1753 the Assembly redrew the dividing line between Frederick and Augusta Cos. and moved it to the Southwest corresponding. to the 1746 survey of the Fairfax Line. The new line passed through present-day Page Co., a few hundred yards above the village of Newport, crossed the Massanutten Mountain and passed just above New Market. Shenandoah Co. (original named Dunmore) was formed from Frederick Co. in 1772. Where should one search for Shenandoah County deeds and other court records? 1721-1734 Spotsylvania County 1734-1745 Orange County 1743-1772 Frederick County 1745-1753 Augusta County 1772- Up Shenandoah County (named Dunmore 1772-1778) Joe Baker

May I quote a passage from a book about my ancestors who were killed in the Civil War: "...Frank {is buried} in the family cemetery at New Town." The "family cemetery" could be the LONG family or the RUEBUSH family or the FIREBAUGH family. Does anyone know of a family cemetery in a place called New Town, VA? Perhaps the place is Newtown or Newton? I will appreciate any help I can get. Virginia Long Hutson [email protected]

Can someone tell me how to get to the Melanchton Chapel Cemetery from Weyers Cave, please? Thanks, Virginia Long Hutson [email protected]

Hi, I have the following quotation from a book about the family of ADAM LONG,SR's family: "...Long ancestors settled in the Valley of Virginia--the Shenandoah Valley--about 1750. In 1796...Adam Long built his home of logs a story-and-a-half high....a mile and a half from the "Old Stone Church" (Fort Defiance), located on the Valley Pike some 11 miles [north] of Staunton, Virginia." Does the "Old Stone Church" still stand? Are "Old Stone Church" and Fort Defiance the same exact place? Thanks, Virginia Long Hutson [email protected]

It's been a while since I posted my Kagy's ...Kagi...Kagey. ABRAHAM N. KAGY b. 04 July 1807 Bristoville, Trumbull Ohio D. Dec. 20, 1892, m. Ann. His father was KAGY, ABRAHM b. @1767 Shenandoah, Va. (Hawkin'stown) M. Barbara Bouhn on 23 May 1785. Ring a bell for anyone? .........know anywhere I can go to ring a Bell? Thanks. Peggy in K.C. [email protected]

Is there someone who knows all about the change in county lines for Frederick/Dunmore/Shenandoah counties in Va? Very early records, say 1750s. I need help with some land deeds I have found. I know my ancestor purchased land in Frederick Co Va 1762, then it was Dunmore, it was Shenaodoah when he sold it in 1787. but now in Dunmore records I have found where he sold some land in 1753, and it says he was from Augusta Co Va. Says land was surveyed in Dec 1753. Mentions land where he now lives......and it sounds like the same land near Woodstock Va - but how could that be Augusta Co? I need help with when the various counties had court houses where land could be recorded, etc. As you can tell, I am very confused right now. Mary [email protected]

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Hi, Carolyn, posting this on the list because my mail direct to you did not go through. Anyone wlsw interested in this info, let me know. Ken Hi, just got back from trip to the Valley, found a little info on Borden's school. Send me your s-mail and I will mail it to you. Ken TomSmith wrote: > Hi Ken, > I read with interest your response to Virginia about Friedens Church, and > noticed a surname I am researching (Borden). Do you know anything about > "Borden's school house..." you mentioned? Or do you know anything about the > Borden for whom it was named? I would love to know any history about the > school, its location, and the Borden family in that area. > > Thanks for any help. > > Carolyn Smith at [email protected] >

MILLER, Samuel Shields, probably born abt 1886, Va.(1927 believed to be date of death) married Amelia BISHOP, born 18 Jan 1866,(dtr of George BISHOP and Rhoda (Roda) ROE) Children: Florence Cecil Loma Elmer Thelma Believe there is a brother named Peter, with a daughter named Earnestine. All living in Cabell Co., W. V. during 1880 and 1910 Census. Searching for parents and siblings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Would also like to hear from other descendents. Brenda

Looking for info on the following Jonathan MOORE b Scotland; d aft 1810 Shenanoah Co., VA; m bef 1768 Sythia GEORGE. They had Joel MOORE b 1768 Shenandoah Co., VA; d 1839 Monroe Co., KY; m bef 1796 Reginia HESTAND/HEISTAND. Anyone researching the above family? Bill Ikerd Emporia, KS [email protected]