Hello Everyone, I was attempting to winnow out duplications in my voluminous computer files on the Sheltons, and was looking at a transcription of Ralph Shelton of Middlesex County's badly damaged will which I have been told was dated March 10, 1733 and proven April 2, 1734. At the end of this transcription, which I probably received from one of the recipients of this email, there is the following: (NOTE) The previous will to this was recorded 5 March 1733. Does anyone have a copy of this will? Or is there just a notation in the Court Minute Book and the will is missing? It is possible that it has already been posted and I missed. Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter, descendant three ways from the above Ralph's son Crispen
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Dear Anne: Appreciate the feedback. I just sent off a note to our list manager. No doubt others in this group know much more than I do & it is not good if I make mistakes. Folks see things in print and take it as gospel. I had regrets that I did not place some sort of disclaimer on this at least. This bit I did on John was to be a genealogy research tool for me. I have bits of accounts from several sources & have been wanting to organize (or order) this for a long time now. Incidentally, I still have some unresolved issues. For example, one source showed John as being in a campaign with (Colonel) George Washington but I could not verify this. In fact, from Washington's journal it looks like he was not a participant in that instance (altho I do know Washington had help survey, etc., in the vicinity of the Falls of the Ohio. I put myself down as author because for the most part I researched and then wrote in my own words. It is good enough for my own purposes as it is; and I probably won't want to spend additional time on it right now. My problem is that I am a hobbiest & a family genealogist and no more. I took information from so many different places, blending, etc., that it would not be especially useful to list my resources. I did use a handful of phrases that were not original. Since I made no disclaimer, I have no credentials, I did not list my sources & did not check out every fact I just did not want to have to go toe to toe with someone who knows much more than I do. I have no problem sharing; and I loved working on this. If folks can just take it like it is then maybe it is a good thing after all. I will let you decide. Thank you for the compliment. I LOVE doing this stuff!! Regards, Sheila Anne <[email protected]> wrote: Sheila, I find the information about John SEVIER fascinating. Our research indicates that my father's ancestors (not SHELTONs) had connections to Sevier and settled in the short-lived state of Franklin. An aunt of my father's was Lucy Kate REAGAN. But from birth she was called "Bonnie" or "Bonnie Kate." She never married and was almost always called "Miss Bonnie." We speculate, at least, that she was named in honor of "Bonnie Kate" SEVIER. Anne Reagan Haines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Gibson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: [Shelton-L] John Sevier More Than You Want to Know About John SEVIER By Sheila Gibson ....Sarah Hawkins SEVIER died from childbirth complications in 1780. John SEVIER married Catharine "Bonnie Kate" SHERRILL that same year....
More Than You Want to Know About John SEVIER By Sheila Gibson (I am hoping this might be helpful to those having questions about this aspect of our family. It might be interesting to think about how our SHELTONs fit into these events.) Saint Francis XAVIER was canonized in Rome in 1622, his direct descendant, Don Juan XAVIER (SEVIER) fled from Paris to London after the Edict of Nantes in 1685. This was John SEVIERs grandfather; and he was a French Huguenot. John SEVIERs father, Valentine SEVIER, was born in London, England, probably after 1708. He & his brother, William, ran away to America. They arrived in Baltimore in 1740. Valentine first settled near Harrisonburg, Rockingham County, in the Valley of Virginia. He married Joanna GOADE & became a tavern keeper and Indian trader. He founded the village of New Market of the Shenandoah, Virginia. John SEVIER was born there on 23 Sep 1745. Because of Indian troubles about 1755, the family spent two years in Fredericksburg where young John was able to attend school. When they returned to New Market, they found all they had built there in ruins. John helped his dad rebuild the home, the store & the tavern. He was also able to attend the Academy of Staunton. In 1761 John SEVIER married Sarah HAWKINS (whose sister married Davy CROCKETTs father, John). SEVIER ran a store in Middletown, Virginia, for a time. In 1769 William BEAN built a cabin on Boones Creek near the Watauga River and several families joined him there. Carters River Valley followed in 1771 & another settlement on the Nolachucky followed in 1772. Collectively, this area became known as the Watauga Settlement. Also in 1772 Cherokee Chief Old Abraham led 700 warriors in an attack at Watauga Fort. It was then that the famous Nancy WARD told the white settlers about the plans. Old Abraham held the fort in siege for six days before with! drawing back to the Chillhowee mountains. Johns wife, Sarah HAWKINS, was delicate & never moved from eastern Virginia. On a visit to see his family in 1773, Virginia Governor John MURRAY, Lord Dunmore, invited John SEVIER on an expedition against the Shawnee, Miami, Wyandot & other tribes north of the Ohio River. John was appointed captain in the Virginia line. The Battle of Point Pleasant has been called perilous and fearful. Troops at Point Pleasant were attacked by a large body of Shawnee under Chief Cornstalk (Keigh-ugh-qua). Valentine SEVIER & James ROBERTSON distinguished themselves in that campaign. In December 1773 John SEVIER moved his family to the Keywood district on the north bank of the Holston River settlement (near his good friend Isaac SHELBY), then to the Watauga River in 1775 & once more to the south bank of the Nolachucky (Greene County). It was from this place that folks started calling him Chucky Jack. SEVIER was very popular among the frontiersmen. William BEAN, James ROBERTSON & Jacob BROWN were all bringing settlers into the region. They also formed their own government which they called the Watauga Association. (All these frontier folks reportedly negotiated leases from the Cherokee who were actually living along the Little Tennessee. However, the Wataugans actually had no legal title to they lands they occupied until Richard HENDERSON of the Transylvania Land Company negotiated the questionable Henderson Purchase.) John SEVIER began as the clerk of the Watauga Association & quickly rose in both government & military leadership. In April 1775 the Revolutionary War began. In June General George WASHINGTON took command of the Continental armies; & the Watauga Association replaced their court system with a 13-member Committee of Safety. SEVIER was a prominent member of this group. He later drew up the memorial of the citizens of Watauga to the North Carolina legislature asking to be annexed. The petition was granted; and Tennessee became a county on North Carolina known as Washington district. John SEVIER & James ROBERTSON were at the Watauga Fort when it was attacked on 21 Jul 1776. At that time there were about 150 settlers staying there, including the garrison from Gillespie Station located below Jonesboro. Near the fort was a courthouse & jail erected by the Watauga Association. A second fort was later built higher up Watauga on the north side on land then owned by Valentine SEVIER Sr. From 1777 to 1780 John SEVIER served as county clerk and district judge. In 1779 SEVIER commanded the overmountain militia in innumerable Indian fights. With Colonel Isaac SHELBY, in 1780, SEVIER also planned the Battle of Kings Mountain, including raising 480 men for that campaign. Sarah Hawkins SEVIER died from childbirth complications in 1780. John SEVIER married Catharine Bonnie Kate SHERRILL that same year. On 25 Sep 1780 John SEVIER, some of his family members & more than 300 of his overmountain neighbors gathered at Sycamore Shoals (in Tennessee). Others there were patriots and soldiers from Virginia & North Carolina, about one thousand in all. The purpose was to answer threats in a message sent by British Major Patrick FERGUSON. On 7 October of that year the Americans met FERGUSON & the loyalist forces at Kings Mountain, South Carolina. The Americans overwhelming victory there was a turning point in the Revolutionary War. Eight detachments of militia surrounded the ridge. John SEVIER commanded that detachment of patriots from Washington County, North Carolina (eastern Tennessee). Two months later Sevier played a key role in the Battle of Boyds Creek. This time the fight was not against the British but against the Cherokee. In 1781 SEVIER conducted several expeditions against the Chickamauga towns including Highwassee, Toquo Town, Choa, Tellico, Little Tuskeegee & Chestuee. SEVIER was a lead figure in peace negotiations with the Indians as well. Big Island was renamed Seviers Island in his honor. In 1783 SEVIER moved to the south bank of the Nolachucky at a place he called Mount Pleasant (Greene County). John SEVIER helped create the State of Franklin (in honor of Benjamin Franklin) in which SEVIER was named governor in 1785. Franklin soon dissolved however. It lasted less than three years. SEVIER went on as a Democrat from North Carolina to the First Congress in 1789. In 1791 SEVIER was appointed Brigadier General of militia for the Washington District of the Territory South of the Ohio. In 1793 SEVIER conducted the Etowah campaign against the Creek & Cherokee which brought peace along the French Broad & the Holston settlements for the rest of SEVIERs life. In 1796 he served as the first governor of Tennessee. In 1798 he was appointed brigadier general of the Provisional Army. Then in 1803 he served another term as governor of Tennessee. From 1811 until his death in 1815 SEVIER served in the House of Representatives from Tennessee. John SEVIER died in 1815 near Fort Decatur, Alabama. At that time, he was fulfilling a presidential appointment as commissioner to determine the boundary between Georgia and the Creek territory in Alabama. In SEVIERs military career he won thirty-three battles out of thirty-five.
More Than You Want to Know About John SEVIER By Sheila Gibson (I am hoping this might be helpful to those having questions about this aspect of our family. It might be interesting to think about how our SHELTONs fit into these events.) Saint Francis XAVIER was canonized in Rome in 1622, his direct descendant, Don Juan XAVIER (SEVIER) fled from Paris to London after the Edict of Nantes in 1685. This was John SEVIERs grandfather; and he was a French Huguenot. John SEVIERs father, Valentine SEVIER, was born in London, England, probably after 1708. He & his brother, William, ran away to America. They arrived in Baltimore in 1740. Valentine first settled near Harrisonburg, Rockingham County, in the Valley of Virginia. He married Joanna GOADE & became a tavern keeper and Indian trader. He founded the village of New Market of the Shenandoah, Virginia. John SEVIER was born there on 23 Sep 1745. Because of Indian troubles about 1755, the family spent two years in Fredericksburg where young John was able to attend school. When they returned to New Market, they found all they had built there in ruins. John helped his dad rebuild the home, the store & the tavern. He was also able to attend the Academy of Staunton. In 1761 John SEVIER married Sarah HAWKINS (whose sister married Davy CROCKETTs father, John). SEVIER ran a store in Middletown, Virginia, for a time. In 1769 William BEAN built a cabin on Boones Creek near the Watauga River and several families joined him there. Carters River Valley followed in 1771 & another settlement on the Nolachucky followed in 1772. Collectively, this area became known as the Watauga Settlement. Also in 1772 Cherokee Chief Old Abraham led 700 warriors in an attack at Watauga Fort. It was then that the famous Nancy WARD told the white settlers about the plans. Old Abraham held the fort in siege for six days before with! drawing back to the Chillhowee mountains. Johns wife, Sarah HAWKINS, was delicate & never moved from eastern Virginia. On a visit to see his family in 1773, Virginia Governor John MURRAY, Lord Dunmore, invited John SEVIER on an expedition against the Shawnee, Miami, Wyandot & other tribes north of the Ohio River. John was appointed captain in the Virginia line. The Battle of Point Pleasant has been called perilous and fearful. Troops at Point Pleasant were attacked by a large body of Shawnee under Chief Cornstalk (Keigh-ugh-qua). Valentine SEVIER & James ROBERTSON distinguished themselves in that campaign. In December 1773 John SEVIER moved his family to the Keywood district on the north bank of the Holston River settlement (near his good friend Isaac SHELBY), then to the Watauga River in 1775 & once more to the south bank of the Nolachucky (Greene County). It was from this place that folks started calling him Chucky Jack. SEVIER was very popular among the frontiersmen. William BEAN, James ROBERTSON & Jacob BROWN were all bringing settlers into the region. They also formed their own government which they called the Watauga Association. (All these frontier folks reportedly negotiated leases from the Cherokee who were actually living along the Little Tennessee. However, the Wataugans actually had no legal title to they lands they occupied until Richard HENDERSON of the Transylvania Land Company negotiated the questionable Henderson Purchase.) John SEVIER began as the clerk of the Watauga Association & quickly rose in both government & military leadership. In April 1775 the Revolutionary War began. In June General George WASHINGTON took command of the Continental armies; & the Watauga Association replaced their court system with a 13-member Committee of Safety. SEVIER was a prominent member of this group. He later drew up the memorial of the citizens of Watauga to the North Carolina legislature asking to be annexed. The petition was granted; and Tennessee became a county on North Carolina known as Washington district. John SEVIER & James ROBERTSON were at the Watauga Fort when it was attacked on 21 Jul 1776. At that time there were about 150 settlers staying there, including the garrison from Gillespie Station located below Jonesboro. Near the fort was a courthouse & jail erected by the Watauga Association. A second fort was later built higher up Watauga on the north side on land then owned by Valentine SEVIER Sr. From 1777 to 1780 John SEVIER served as county clerk and district judge. In 1779 SEVIER commanded the overmountain militia in innumerable Indian fights. With Colonel Isaac SHELBY, in 1780, SEVIER also planned the Battle of Kings Mountain, including raising 480 men for that campaign. Sarah Hawkins SEVIER died from childbirth complications in 1780. John SEVIER married Catharine Bonnie Kate SHERRILL that same year. On 25 Sep 1780 John SEVIER, some of his family members & more than 300 of his overmountain neighbors gathered at Sycamore Shoals (in Tennessee). Others there were patriots and soldiers from Virginia & North Carolina, about one thousand in all. The purpose was to answer threats in a message sent by British Major Patrick FERGUSON. On 7 October of that year the Americans met FERGUSON & the loyalist forces at Kings Mountain, South Carolina. The Americans overwhelming victory there was a turning point in the Revolutionary War. Eight detachments of militia surrounded the ridge. John SEVIER commanded that detachment of patriots from Washington County, North Carolina (eastern Tennessee). Two months later Sevier played a key role in the Battle of Boyds Creek. This time the fight was not against the British but against the Cherokee. In 1781 SEVIER conducted several expeditions against the Chickamauga towns including Highwassee, Toquo Town, Choa, Tellico, Little Tuskeegee & Chestuee. SEVIER was a lead figure in peace negotiations with the Indians as well. Big Island was renamed Seviers Island in his honor. In 1783 SEVIER moved to the south bank of the Nolachucky at a place he called Mount Pleasant (Greene County). John SEVIER helped create the State of Franklin (in honor of Benjamin Franklin) in which SEVIER was named governor in 1785. Franklin soon dissolved however. It lasted less than three years. SEVIER went on as a Democrat from North Carolina to the First Congress in 1789. In 1791 SEVIER was appointed Brigadier General of militia for the Washington District of the Territory South of the Ohio. In 1793 SEVIER conducted the Etowah campaign against the Creek & Cherokee which brought peace along the French Broad & the Holston settlements for the rest of SEVIERs life. In 1796 he served as the first governor of Tennessee. In 1798 he was appointed brigadier general of the Provisional Army. Then in 1803 he served another term as governor of Tennessee. From 1811 until his death in 1815 SEVIER served in the House of Representatives from Tennessee. John SEVIER died in 1815 near Fort Decatur, Alabama. At that time, he was fulfilling a presidential appointment as commissioner to determine the boundary between Georgia and the Creek territory in Alabama. In SEVIERs military career he won thirty-three battles out of thirty-five.
I am looking to make contact again with any cousins on my lines. I have met and enjoyed the company of many of them in the past and just got notices back that a few e-mails are bouncing due to mailboxes not being valid. If you are new to the lines, write me a note so I can add you to my long list of cousins. Seven years ago, I had a list of well over 50 cousins on the Shelton lines. I have added to that list and had the misfortune of having to remove many, as well. Let's stay in touch! Tina Hall [email protected] List Admin.: Byrd (Rootsweb), Shelton (Rootsweb), Diabetes (YahooGroups) KYGenWeb County Coordinator: Henderson county Tina's Family Genealogy Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, make it dance!" ~ George Bernard Shaw +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Me again. I am now asking for testers to step up and join us who descend from an all male lineage of the CT Sheltons. I am mainly looking for someone who can prove a connection back to David Shelton and Elizabeth Wells. I believe that's the couple I have in mind. I believe they had a son named Joseph who spent some time in Virginia in the 1700's, but hey! If you descend from another Shelton who spent time in Ct, you are also welcome to join us! It would be great to have at least one representative from each known line. To date we have these lines represented among our testers: 1.) Ralph and Mary Shelton of Middlesex Co., VA 2.) William 'of Dan River' Shelton 3.) The Rural Plains Sheltons 4.) The New Kent, VA lines 5.) John Chilton of England lines 6.) William Skelton lines out of VA I would love to see these lines represented: 1.) CT Sheltons 2.) 1700's NC Shelton families 3.) Early TN Shelton families 4.) MS Shelton families I don't know of all of the Shelton lines out there. I'm sure there are more of them than I have listed above. Are there any out of any other New England states? How about the south? Are they well represented or were they migrations from eastern states? Bug anybody you know who could test for their lines. They will be assisting their future relatives to have better information at hand. If only my dad had known....if only I could have had my only brother tested! If I had asked my cousin before he passed away! Don't allow these lines to die out with the only male descendants that are still alive today. Do what you can to get them to join up. Women! You have a rare opportunity here! Offer to help with the cost since you cannot test for the lines yourself! We now have 74 Shelton testers, 3 Skeltons testers and 3 Chilton testers. We could use a few Sheldon testers, too! Okay...down from my soapbox and heading for bed....6 am comes mighty early here. <grin> I am again gainfully employed, so my hobby has to suffer a bit, but hopefully not too much! your ever faithful list admin, Tina Hall [email protected] List Admin.: Byrd (Rootsweb), Shelton (Rootsweb), Diabetes (YahooGroups) KYGenWeb County Coordinator: Henderson county Tina's Family Genealogy Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, make it dance!" ~ George Bernard Shaw +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hello folks. I am looking for someone from the lines of George Shelton of Fentress Co., TN to join in our DNA testing. Possibilities abound and theories are being tested here. It could benefit many of the Shelton testers if we can locate a descendant and get them to test for their lines. They can only benefit from having the testing done, and remind them that it doesn't hurt. It's only a cheek swab! Tina Hall [email protected] List Admin.: Byrd (Rootsweb), Shelton (Rootsweb), Diabetes (YahooGroups) KYGenWeb County Coordinator: Henderson county Tina's Family Genealogy Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, make it dance!" ~ George Bernard Shaw +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wNHBAIB/2539.3.1 Message Board Post: Thanks a lot, will send you an email!
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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/wNHBAIB/2481.1 Message Board Post: Thank you so much this is my aunt and i saw the picture and you also photographed my grandfather