Bob, I see Phillip in Portland, ME in 1840 age 30-40 with what looks like wife 30-40 and two children under 5, one m one f. In 1850 I find in Portland also, all b ME except Margaret b England: Philip Shaw 45 Margaret Shaw 22 Philip Shaw 13 Mary E Shaw 11 James Shaw 10 Sarah Shaw 7 Martha Murry 19 Philip and Mary must be the two children from 1840 and James must have been born after the census. These children are too old to belong to Margaret, presumably the second wife. Sarah is probably from the first marriage as well. In 1860 T11R7 Macoupin, IL (all Shaw): Phillip 44 ME Margaret 30 England George H 10 ME Hellen E 7 ME Alice 3 IL Ada 3/12 IL Phillip 22 ME Mary 20 ME Sarah 17 ME James 18 ME The way the children grouped--not by age order--makes me think George, Hellen, Alice and Ada are from the second marriage to Margaret. James' age is off here, but that is not uncommon. Phillip Sr is a year younger than he was in 1850, so one or the other is wrong, I suspect the 1850 is correct, even though this seems too old to be Margaret's husband, because he was 30-40 in 1840, so 45 in 1850 seems good. And from the POB's it looks like the family migrated from ME between 1853 and '57. On my FHL disc I find: SHAW, Phillip Marriage Wife: Margaret J. HALL Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1849 Recorded in: Civil Records for Portland, Cumberland, Maine Source: FHL Number 12021 Dates: 1811-1853 and the same marriage recorded 2 Sep 1849. This doesn't help much with James' mother, and I do not find that one listed but it may be in another database. But it does tell us that Sarah belongs to the first wife, so DOD for James' mother must be 1843-1849? Why couldn't they have started listing all the names from the get-go instead of waiting till 1850? Maybe try posting to the Kennebec county message board to see if anyone will do a lookup at the state archives in Augusta for Philip Shaw + ? 1826-1837, leaning toward 1834-37, probably married in Portland, ME. Something happens to break up the family, in 1870 I find Alice living with sister Mary now married to James C Rutherford--I think, the POB and DOB line up for both -- in Madelia, Watonwan, MN. Possible Ada in Iowa with another relative, though this doesn't seem as good a match. Phillip Jr is in Knox county IL with 2 ch and cannot find James. James shows up still in Macoupin county in 1880, married with 3 ch under 10, so probably more fiddling with the search keys would make him pop out in 1870 as well. It is possible from the fact that 12 year old Alice is living with half sister in a completely different state that both Phillip Sr and Margaret have died. Now checking Internet trees now that I know a few facts I find on Kenneth Linwood Shaw III's site http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kenshaw2001&id=I002215 ID: I002215 Name: Mary L. LEAVITT 1 Sex: F Birth: 17 AUG 1802 Death: AUG 1848 in Portland, Cumberland County, Maine, USA Burial: 1848 Western Cemetery, Lot 85, Range D2, Portland, Cumberland County Maine, USA Marriage 1 Philip SHAW b: 23 DEC 1804 in ?Portland, Cumberland County, Maine USA Married: NOV 1831 in Portland, Cumberland County, Maine, USA Sources: Title: "Abraham Shaw of Watertown and Dedham, Massachusetts, New England in Progress" Author: Kenneth Linwood Shaw, III Publication: A collection of compiled pedigrees & data from books, bibles, town vital records, grave yards and people through out the United States of America and Canada (Copyright © 2001-2005, first data posted o nline 11th October 2001) Note: Please E-mail your Abraham Shaw family line to us at <[email protected]> or US Mail address: 37 Taunton Green, Post Office Box 1016, Taunton, Bristol County, Massachusetts 02780 Repository: Call Number: Media: Electronic This is more than I hoped for! There are no children shown, but by the dates and the location of Portland, ME I think this has to be who you are looking for. I do not find this marriage in the WALF database, but will email the WALF genealogist to see if they have it in the Leavitt database. Here is Philip's entry on the Ken Linwood Shaw page--you can click on the father and mother's name to extend your lines up. There is the caution that the facts need to be verified--if sources are given and check out you should be in good shape. I have found errors on this database, although Ken's research seems excellent, many of the entries come from others and there is no way he can personally research every entry. ID: I005002 Name: Philip SHAW 1 Sex: M Birth: 23 DEC 1804 in ?Portland, Cumberland County, Maine, USA Death: 5 APR 1866 in Girard, Macoupin County, Illinois, USA Burial: 1866 Nilwood Cemetery, Nilwood, Macoupin County, Illinois, USA Note: Philip Shaw resided in Portland, Cumberland County, Maine and Nilwood, Macoupin County, Illinois, USA Father: Joseph Shaw b: 31 MAR 1762 in North Yarmouth, Cumberland County, Maine, New England Mother: Sarah Wyman b: 17 NOV 1767 in North Yarmouth, Cumberland County, Maine, New England When you are through compiling Philip forward you may want to send it to Ken Shaw. I will keep you posted on the Leavitt end if it checks out. NALF has a considerable database on the descendants of the original Leavitt immigrants. Good luck! Valerie -------Original Message------- From: Bob Ray Date: 08/16/05 10:21:18 To: [email protected] Subject: [SHAW] Phillip Shaw My GGGrandfather, Phillip Shaw was born in 1804 in Portland Me. He migrated to Macoupin County sometime after 1840 as my GGrandfather James W. Shaw was born then in Portland. I can track James but can find nothing on his father or mother. Could anyone help. Thanks Bob Ray [email protected] ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== To contact the SHAW List Administrator: [email protected]