Thanks for the input on the SHAWs, GrannyToad. Like that email address !! Pretty cute !! Let me respond to several of your inputs. I had missed Oscar in 1850 for some reason -- possibly because Ancestry and HeritageQuest don't have the 1850 Census indexed. The Mary E. versus Nancy E. poses more questions, but the ages seem to track. What would we ever do if there were no questions?? :>)) It's always possible that a neighbor gave the information to the Census taker, or maybe even the parents hadn't really decided completely on a name for the newborn daughter. Then I had found Oscar in the 1870 Census after my posting. I had noted the "Julia" in Oscar's household, suggesting that maybe she was a second spouse, but I hadn't noticed Mary in the same household. Thanks for noting that. I did notice "Jennie" at the right age for "Nancy J." in 1870, and I have seen something recently in Robert Brennan's books somewhere that suggested the "Jennie" given name. I also had not found Henry A. in Middletown in 1870 -- thanks for that tip, too. Maybe with enough inputs, we'll be able to put these SHAWs together !! Thanks again for your contributions. John Hale Williamsburg, VA In a message dated 8/22/2005 9:48:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I took an interest because of Wallkill, seeing a Weller, knowing I had a few scattered Shaws - but did not find yours unless I don't know a wife's surname. I research Hill, some Smith, from there. But. Look at this: 1850 Wallkill, Orange, New York Roll: M432_574 Page: 78 31 July SHAW Oscar A 35 farmer, all b NY Mary A 34 Henry A 13, David W 7, Mary E 2/12 Older son Henry. Mary not Nancy. Was she known as Nancy post-1870? 1860 > New York > Orange > Wallkill Roll: M653_835 Middletown PO, page 130B? SHAW Mary E 10 page 129 Henry A's also in Middletown, married to Lavinia, could be dau of Samuel Vauflat(?). Sometimes more or better info helps. One of those daughters may have married a Weller, so often siblings did - but who knows. 1870 > New York > Orange > Wallkill Roll: M593_1070 Page: 511 Middletown PO Oscar's remarried with a Julia age 41, Sarah J's called Jennie. Mary's still at home but listed below Joshua Moore 23 - maybe they're about to marry. Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:26:28 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Marriage Lookup, Nancy E. Shaw & Sarah J. Shaw, Orange Co, NY > > Hi List, > > Looking for possible marriage records for Nancy E. Shaw, born about 1850, and > > Sarah J. Shaw, born about 1853, both daughters of Oscar Shaw and Mary Ann > Carpenter. These family members were residents of the Wallkill area of > Orange > County in the 1860 Census. I am presuming, but am not certain, that both > Nancy > and Sarah were married in Orange County. They do NOT appear in Robert > Brennan's "Wallkill, Orange County, NY, Vital Statistics, 1881-1913", > possibly > because they were married before 1881. Hopefully, SKS out there will have > access to > some earlier marriage records. > > Appreciate any information, clues, leads, etc. > John Hale > Williamsburg, VA > > Descendants of Oscar Shaw > .1 Oscar Shaw b: Abt. 1816 in New York > .. +Mary Ann Carpenter b: Abt. 1816 in New York > ......... 2 [1] David Winfield Shaw b: Bet. January 27 - February, 1843 in > Howells, Orange County, New York d: January 19, 1912 in Town of Wallkill, > Orange County, New York > ............. +Matilda A. Myers or Matilda Mae Williams b: Abt. 1845 in New > York d: Bef. 1880 > ......... *2nd Wife of [1] David Winfield Shaw: > ............. +Ida J. Weller b: Bet. 1853 - March 1854 in New York m: Abt. > 1881 > ......... 2 Nancy E. Shaw b: Abt. 1850 in New York > ......... 2 Sarah J. Shaw b: Abt. 1853 in New York >