i'm not sure if Abraham Shaw is related to my Hoveys, especially my stepmom's direct line which can be foud at the following link. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=beprice&id=I16886 this will give you the oldest Shaw in that line, Richard HOVEY Given Name: Richard Surname: Hovey Sex: M Birth: 1575 in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England Death: 7 MAR 1637 in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown Married: ABT 1617 the contributor is Barry Price. He has listed more than just the direct line of my hovey's. Mr price doesn't have a Abraham Shaw listed either. there are about 185 Abraham Shaws listed at rootsweb world connect. If you have more info about him maybe i could make a connection or find info about the line of the Abraham SHAW you are talking about. I do not have a John SHAW in my tree either.... cheryl