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>>> Mattb4a@aol.com 03/26/01 12:54 PM >>> Posted on: Shaw Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/FamilyAssoc/Shaw/10242 Surname: ------------------------- Am trying to find information on the family of Coma Coran Shaw (born 16 Sep 1896, Elba, Coffee Co., Alabama; died about 1982, Pensacola, Florida) who married Velda Traxler (1898-abt 1963). C.C. Shaw is thought to have been a son of Franklin Shaw and Tiggy Adele Jordon. Hello, Don't know if these are yours but; Chester A. Traxler marr. Elva Klug Sep. 7, 1937 Richard L. Traxler marr. Alberta Mae Sudbrink Sep. 14, 1957 Marcus Traxler marr. Ethel Serach May 12, 1956 This info was in records at Jefferson Co. WI. Oh, you want more? OK Emily L. Traxler marr. Thomas John Jolliffe July 25, 1931 Shirley Ellen Traxler marr. LaVerne Robert Meyer Oct. 20, 1956 and Bernice Evelyn Traxler marr Merrill Archie Pett on May 21, 1938 Have a good eve, Duane ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

In a message dated 4/3/01 4:59:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scotsamish@cplx.net writes: > > Please consider joining Our Clan Shaw Society. > How do we join? Rose

Mike, my response to your post was sent, but never posted! Hmmmm. The short version: in my long experience working with Limited-English-Proficient students and their families from all parts of the world, I've found that Mexicans prefer to be called "Mexicans" and prefer to say they speak the Mexican language, even when they might be full-blooded Apache or second-generation Germans living in Mexico, or whomever. Those from other Latin American countries--Central and South America and Puerto Rico--prefer to be called "Latinos", for the most part. I have found that those people who prefer to be called Hispanics are usually ones who are very familiar with American social status and wish to set themselves apart from those they consider the uneducated classes. Mike Gregory wrote: > To those following this thread, > > I think this thread has gotten off the path it took. It sounds to me as some > are confusing nationality with race, or vice versa. Us humans really like > labels and tend to choose the ones that suit us best. > > Nationality: Wouldn't an Englishman, or rather English person, be one who > was born and raised in England? Just as an American is one who was born and > raised in America, a Scottish person is one born and raised in Scotland, and > an Irish person is one who was born and raised in Ireland? The nationality > of your ancestors does not matter! My father was the first of his namesake > lineage to be born in the States (the rest are "English"), it would be silly > to say he wasn't an American because of his parents wouldn't it? > > Race: Biologically, there really is no such thing as race, but us humans > like to think so that we can discriminate against others. The only true > "race" that could call themselves American's are the Indians. It is too > difficult to categorize humans by pure race unless you go back hundreds of > years in history before humans were so mobile. Even then it may be > difficult. The travel and interbreeding between different populations makes > race a difficult concept. > > Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it is > neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America > among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to be > labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a lot > less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is > their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she > considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not > Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in Mexico > or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. > > I have so many Nationalities in my lineage I could claim to be just whatever > I wanted, but when I comes right down to it I'm just a plain old American. > One could even go as far as to call me a Californian, for where I was born > and raised, but that might be a different arguement entirely. > > Mike Gregory > Bakersfield, California > genealogy@bak.rr.com > http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/ > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

I know it has happened to me a couple of times. (My message not showing up on the list.) Velma Shaw Beale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <ListMom2@hotmail.com> To: <SHAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: [SHAW] To Carol > Carol: > > Are you also saying that you sent something to the list, and it didn't post? > If that is the case, please let me know and I will check on it. > > Anne > > > > Mike, my response to your post was sent, but never posted! Hmmmm. > > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Hispanic - adj. (Iberian Peninsula; Spain) of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain and Portugal or Latin America - Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary From a Heinz 57 American Sue macduff@infi.net Original message: > > Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it > >is > > neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America > > among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to > >be > > labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a > >lot > > less offensive than "Mexican > > Mike Gregory > > Bakersfield, California > > genealogy@bak.rr.com > > http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/

Some would take issue with calling ourselves Americans, but then United Statesians........? Geordie "Scotsamish"

Lee, Nothing in A Dance Called America by James Hunter. (I checked the index, I didn't recall him) In King's Passengers... bu Peter Wilson Coldham, there is a Crags alias Shaw, Thomas from London in May of 1750 and a Thomas Shaw from Surrey in 1751. Ships are The Litchfield, Capt Wm. Gracie and The Thames, Capt Jas. Dobbins, respectively. Please consider joining Our Clan Shaw Society. Geordie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Bartos" <lee.bartos@artibbs.com> To: <SHAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: [SHAW] Help > Does anyone out there have the books: The King's Passengers to Maryland and > Virginia by Peter Wilson Coldham or A Dance Called America by James Hunter. > If so, please let me know if there is any information on Thomas Shaw, born > ca 1738 Inverness Scotland. He married in 1759 in Edgefield Dst. SC - don't > know when he arrived here, if he was alone or with parents or siblings. I > can't find the books anywhere in East Texas! Thanks, Lee Bartos > lee.bartos@artibbs.com > > > > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Has anyone researched the Monroe County Tennessee Shaws? I am stuck on Elbert Shaw who was born about 1844 in Tennessee. He and his brother, Lewis were living in the Household of Robert and Elizabeth Terry Russell in 1850 in Monroe Co. TN. . Elbert married Sarah Towson and Lewis married Mary Elizabeth McCaslin. Lewis died in Elk County KS. Any help will be appreciated Bobby Godfrey, Niota, TN bobg1@onemain.com

Wow! Carla! POINTS!!! Yes, I think you're right! RTHumnbrd@aol.com wrote: > I have really enjoyed the Migration debate. I would like to add that the > island of Haiti/Dominican Republic is called Hispanolia. I wonder if > "hispanic" could have derived from there. > > Carla Marlin > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

I have really enjoyed the Migration debate. I would like to add that the island of Haiti/Dominican Republic is called Hispanolia. I wonder if "hispanic" could have derived from there. Carla Marlin

As a writer on Latin-American baseball, I've often told people that to call a person Spanish or Hispanic is akin to calling a Canadian or a Haitian person "French" or calling Bill Cosby "English"- solely because he speaks that tongue. Everyone has a nationality- a Nicaraguan is not a Peruvian, nor is a Chilean a Venezuelan (though they can understand each other's speech) BCB -----Original Message----- From: Marci [mailto:cilcia@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:52 PM To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate Mike, You aroused my curiosity with the Hispanic argument, so I called my husband's parents and asked them. Mexicans living in Mexico do call themselves Mejicanos...Mexicans...however, there is no Mexican language. Mexicans speak Espanol...Spanish. My father in law proudly refers to himself as American, although their primary language continues to be Spanish..He was born in Durango, Mexico. Personally, I like the way Bill Murray explained it in Stripes...We're MUTTS! And, yes, I'm a California girl myself, born and raised in So.Cal, transplated to the northern Caribbean...New Orleans. Thanks for all the food for thought! Marci Marci Shaw Peralez "If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well dance with it." - George Bernard Shaw ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Gregory To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate To those following this thread, I think this thread has gotten off the path it took. It sounds to me as some are confusing nationality with race, or vice versa. Us humans really like labels and tend to choose the ones that suit us best. Nationality: Wouldn't an Englishman, or rather English person, be one who was born and raised in England? Just as an American is one who was born and raised in America, a Scottish person is one born and raised in Scotland, and an Irish person is one who was born and raised in Ireland? The nationality of your ancestors does not matter! My father was the first of his namesake lineage to be born in the States (the rest are "English"), it would be silly to say he wasn't an American because of his parents wouldn't it? Race: Biologically, there really is no such thing as race, but us humans like to think so that we can discriminate against others. The only true "race" that could call themselves American's are the Indians. It is too difficult to categorize humans by pure race unless you go back hundreds of years in history before humans were so mobile. Even then it may be difficult. The travel and interbreeding between different populations makes race a difficult concept. Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it is neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to be labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a lot less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in Mexico or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. I have so many Nationalities in my lineage I could claim to be just whatever I wanted, but when I comes right down to it I'm just a plain old American. One could even go as far as to call me a Californian, for where I was born and raised, but that might be a different arguement entirely. Mike Gregory Bakersfield, California genealogy@bak.rr.com http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/ ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

My Mexican-American friends all call themselves Hispanics. That's good enough for me. Paul >===== Original Message From SHAW-L@rootsweb.com ===== >As a writer on Latin-American baseball, I've often told people that to call >a person Spanish or Hispanic is akin to calling a Canadian or a Haitian >person "French" or calling Bill Cosby "English"- solely because he speaks >that tongue. Everyone has a nationality- a Nicaraguan is not a Peruvian, nor >is a Chilean a Venezuelan (though they can understand each other's speech) > >BCB > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marci [mailto:cilcia@bellsouth.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:52 PM >To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate > > >Mike, > >You aroused my curiosity with the Hispanic argument, so I called my >husband's parents and asked them. Mexicans living in Mexico do call >themselves Mejicanos...Mexicans...however, there is no Mexican language. >Mexicans speak Espanol...Spanish. My father in law proudly refers to >himself as American, although their primary language continues to be >Spanish..He was born in Durango, Mexico. > >Personally, I like the way Bill Murray explained it in Stripes...We're >MUTTS! And, yes, I'm a California girl myself, born and raised in So.Cal, >transplated to the northern Caribbean...New Orleans. Thanks for all the >food for thought! >Marci > >Marci Shaw Peralez > >"If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well dance with >it." - George Bernard Shaw > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Gregory > To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate > > > To those following this thread, > > I think this thread has gotten off the path it took. It sounds to me as >some > are confusing nationality with race, or vice versa. Us humans really like > labels and tend to choose the ones that suit us best. > > Nationality: Wouldn't an Englishman, or rather English person, be one who > was born and raised in England? Just as an American is one who was born >and > raised in America, a Scottish person is one born and raised in Scotland, >and > an Irish person is one who was born and raised in Ireland? The nationality > of your ancestors does not matter! My father was the first of his >namesake > lineage to be born in the States (the rest are "English"), it would be >silly > to say he wasn't an American because of his parents wouldn't it? > > Race: Biologically, there really is no such thing as race, but us humans > like to think so that we can discriminate against others. The only true > "race" that could call themselves American's are the Indians. It is too > difficult to categorize humans by pure race unless you go back hundreds of > years in history before humans were so mobile. Even then it may be > difficult. The travel and interbreeding between different populations >makes > race a difficult concept. > > Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it >is > neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America > among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to >be > labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a >lot > less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is > their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she > considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not > Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in >Mexico > or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. > > I have so many Nationalities in my lineage I could claim to be just >whatever > I wanted, but when I comes right down to it I'm just a plain old American. > One could even go as far as to call me a Californian, for where I was born > and raised, but that might be a different arguement entirely. > > Mike Gregory > Bakersfield, California > genealogy@bak.rr.com > http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/ > > > > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > >==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > >==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Mike, You aroused my curiosity with the Hispanic argument, so I called my husband's parents and asked them. Mexicans living in Mexico do call themselves Mejicanos...Mexicans...however, there is no Mexican language. Mexicans speak Espanol...Spanish. My father in law proudly refers to himself as American, although their primary language continues to be Spanish..He was born in Durango, Mexico. Personally, I like the way Bill Murray explained it in Stripes...We're MUTTS! And, yes, I'm a California girl myself, born and raised in So.Cal, transplated to the northern Caribbean...New Orleans. Thanks for all the food for thought! Marci Marci Shaw Peralez "If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well dance with it." - George Bernard Shaw ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Gregory To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate To those following this thread, I think this thread has gotten off the path it took. It sounds to me as some are confusing nationality with race, or vice versa. Us humans really like labels and tend to choose the ones that suit us best. Nationality: Wouldn't an Englishman, or rather English person, be one who was born and raised in England? Just as an American is one who was born and raised in America, a Scottish person is one born and raised in Scotland, and an Irish person is one who was born and raised in Ireland? The nationality of your ancestors does not matter! My father was the first of his namesake lineage to be born in the States (the rest are "English"), it would be silly to say he wasn't an American because of his parents wouldn't it? Race: Biologically, there really is no such thing as race, but us humans like to think so that we can discriminate against others. The only true "race" that could call themselves American's are the Indians. It is too difficult to categorize humans by pure race unless you go back hundreds of years in history before humans were so mobile. Even then it may be difficult. The travel and interbreeding between different populations makes race a difficult concept. Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it is neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to be labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a lot less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in Mexico or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. I have so many Nationalities in my lineage I could claim to be just whatever I wanted, but when I comes right down to it I'm just a plain old American. One could even go as far as to call me a Californian, for where I was born and raised, but that might be a different arguement entirely. Mike Gregory Bakersfield, California genealogy@bak.rr.com http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/ ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Does anyone out there have the books: The King's Passengers to Maryland and Virginia by Peter Wilson Coldham or A Dance Called America by James Hunter. If so, please let me know if there is any information on Thomas Shaw, born ca 1738 Inverness Scotland. He married in 1759 in Edgefield Dst. SC - don't know when he arrived here, if he was alone or with parents or siblings. I can't find the books anywhere in East Texas! Thanks, Lee Bartos lee.bartos@artibbs.com

I have friends who claim "english" should be spelled with a small E because it is a language, not a people (he argues the same foe "hispanic"). But if the modern day Englishman is not a part of a people, then what are we Americans? QUOTE OF THE DAY "There are several good protections against temptations, but the surest is cowardice." --Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: Eugene Hubbard <hubfam@earthlink.net> To: <SHAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate > > There is a firestorm raging in England concerning the admission of > migrants. > (for England, understand it is the portion of the island below > Scotland)* > > I thought the following might be interesting to the list, considering > some of us > are trying to find our "English" ancestry. > > I've also been reading a book "The English A Portrait of a People" by > Jeremy Plaxman. > The author says in so many words that the Englishman lives in a world of > fantacy about who he is and what is typical of England. > > > * From: Elizabeth Vear, Cranbrook, Kent > Re: Do Not duck the debate on migrants > Date: 2 April 2001 > > "SIR - Daniel Defoe wrote in The Trueborn Englishman (1701): > > "The Romans first with Julius Caesar came, > including all the nations of that name, > Gauls, Greeks and Lombards; and by computation, > auxiliaries or slaves of every nation. > With Hengist, Saxons; Danes with Sueno came, > in search of plunder, not in search of fame. > Scots, Picts and Irish from th' Hibernian shore, > and conqu'ring William brought the Normans o'er. > All these their barb'rous offspring left behind, > the dregs of armies, they of all mankind; > Blended with Britains, who before were here, > of whom the Welsh have blest the character. > From this amphibious ill-born mob began > that vain ill-natured thing, an Englishman. . ." > > A trueborn Englishman is a contradiction; in speech an irony, in fact a > fiction. > > > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > >

To those following this thread, I think this thread has gotten off the path it took. It sounds to me as some are confusing nationality with race, or vice versa. Us humans really like labels and tend to choose the ones that suit us best. Nationality: Wouldn't an Englishman, or rather English person, be one who was born and raised in England? Just as an American is one who was born and raised in America, a Scottish person is one born and raised in Scotland, and an Irish person is one who was born and raised in Ireland? The nationality of your ancestors does not matter! My father was the first of his namesake lineage to be born in the States (the rest are "English"), it would be silly to say he wasn't an American because of his parents wouldn't it? Race: Biologically, there really is no such thing as race, but us humans like to think so that we can discriminate against others. The only true "race" that could call themselves American's are the Indians. It is too difficult to categorize humans by pure race unless you go back hundreds of years in history before humans were so mobile. Even then it may be difficult. The travel and interbreeding between different populations makes race a difficult concept. Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it is neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to be labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a lot less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in Mexico or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. I have so many Nationalities in my lineage I could claim to be just whatever I wanted, but when I comes right down to it I'm just a plain old American. One could even go as far as to call me a Californian, for where I was born and raised, but that might be a different arguement entirely. Mike Gregory Bakersfield, California genealogy@bak.rr.com http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/

Eugene, I don't care what this man says. I have actual proof that my great-grandmother and her parents are true Englishman and women because I have both marriage certificate of parents and birth certificates of great-grandmother. Brenda

There is a firestorm raging in England concerning the admission of migrants. (for England, understand it is the portion of the island below Scotland)* I thought the following might be interesting to the list, considering some of us are trying to find our "English" ancestry. I've also been reading a book "The English A Portrait of a People" by Jeremy Plaxman. The author says in so many words that the Englishman lives in a world of fantacy about who he is and what is typical of England. * From: Elizabeth Vear, Cranbrook, Kent Re: Do Not duck the debate on migrants Date: 2 April 2001 "SIR - Daniel Defoe wrote in The Trueborn Englishman (1701): "The Romans first with Julius Caesar came, including all the nations of that name, Gauls, Greeks and Lombards; and by computation, auxiliaries or slaves of every nation. With Hengist, Saxons; Danes with Sueno came, in search of plunder, not in search of fame. Scots, Picts and Irish from th' Hibernian shore, and conqu'ring William brought the Normans o'er. All these their barb'rous offspring left behind, the dregs of armies, they of all mankind; Blended with Britains, who before were here, of whom the Welsh have blest the character. From this amphibious ill-born mob began that vain ill-natured thing, an Englishman. . ." A trueborn Englishman is a contradiction; in speech an irony, in fact a fiction.

Hello Family and friends. Am searching for any and all info on John Shaw Jr born in Glossop, Derby, Eng. in ca 1815. Parents John and Hannah ( Wheatcroft ) Shaw. One brother Samuel. John Sr. and family left Eng. for Ireland. Then to Rhode Island in ca 1827. Moved to Bureau County,IL. in ca 1837. Now there is the possibility John Jr did not move to IL. as he was ca 22 at that time. Any and all help needed on my John Shaw Jr. Have the rest of his and my family. Thank you. Viola.