Yes, "Mom." You're absolutely right. I promise to be good. Carole Anne wrote: > I think we have gone about as far as we should on this subject. It seems to > be becoming less of a genealogy debate and more of a personal one, so please > let's stop this topic of conversation now. > > Anne > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog
Posted on: Shaw Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/FamilyAssoc/Shaw/10256 Surname: Shaw, Starlin ------------------------- I am looking for descendents or any information of my great grandfather William Henry Shaw's two brothers. They are James M. Shaw born Oct 7, 1844 and Ebenezer K. Shaw born Aug. 19, 1848. They married sisters. James married Sarah Starlin and had a son born about 1882 named James. Ebenezer married Susan Starlin and had sons William, b. abt. 1875, Elam b. abt. 1878 and James abt. 1882. They all married in Mahaska County, Iowa but then in about 1881 went to Johnson County, Ne. where they were still living in 1900. They must have left there after that and I don't know where they went. Any help would be appreciated.
Hey! Frank! We've both been having the same troubles for the past few months, and I remember that we've communicated with one another a few times. I've narrowed down my "problems", but don't have answers, yet. If I could get hold of the Johnstown, Fulton County, New York, Census records for 1800 and 1810, I might find Warren Shaw's parents! There's a slim chance that Pension Records would turn up something, and finally, some land records could help (which I suppose we would have to go to New York for--dust off old books in vaults). Again, just finding Angeloah's siblings would give you a great clue--or finding his children. His first born child could have had his father's name, and could have carried a family bible to the next generation. There is somebody out there TODAY who is a descendent and who has records. Keep looking! Don't give up! Puzzledfrank@aol.com wrote: > I do not know where my SHAW ancestors came from and I don't really care I > would just like to find them so I can put that information into my genealogy > file. I have been searching for quite some time. > > My GG Grandfather was Angeloah SHAW according to census records he would > have been born in NY in about 1818. He married Mary Delilah Sapney in > Angelica Allegany County NY in abt 1846. They moved to Cattaraugus County NY > soon after they married. In the 1854-1855 period they moved to Jo Daviess > Co. IL then to Trempealeau County Wisconsin and later to Nebraska. I have > info on Angeloah from the 1850 census to the time lhe died. I would like to > find who were his parents and where did he and they come from? Any > assistance will be greatly appreciated. Frank Hotaling > Puzzledfrank@aol.com > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!
Sorry group ,need Deborah Mason to contact me, email broke. DShaw44819@aol.com
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Carol: Are you also saying that you sent something to the list, and it didn't post? If that is the case, please let me know and I will check on it. Anne > Mike, my response to your post was sent, but never posted! Hmmmm.
I think we have gone about as far as we should on this subject. It seems to be becoming less of a genealogy debate and more of a personal one, so please let's stop this topic of conversation now. Anne
Arturo: Are you saying that when you sent your post to the list, it did not actually post to the list? Anne > When Spain was the country of the week I sent a message arguing to be the > one and only spanish Shaw in the list... but it desapeared like some others. > > Duncan Shaw was my elusive english (born in London, 1816) gggfather who was > of scottish origin. He stablish in Spain and his descendants are still > there. > > Gregory, could you tell me what could the Shaw Society do for my research? I > don't feel they can really help me. > > Thanks > > Arturo Shaw > ashaw@pt.lu
I am forwarding this on to the list for Darrell. If you have any information for him, please also send a copy of your post to him directly. Thanks! Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "drparscale" <drparscale@prodigy.net> To: <SHAW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Shaw/Parscale > Betty, did you ever find a James Shaw with a daughter named who married a man named Jesse Baker Parscale? Would have been married before 1866. Darrell > >
Nathaniel SHAW and family are listed on the Federal Census records for Angelica Allegany County NY for the years 1820 - 1830 -1840- 1850. On the 1850 Census is additional info: he is married age 57 and b in Mass Freelove his wife age 47 b NH Sally Dau age 19 NY Helen Dau age 14 NY Marian Dau age 11 NY ???? ?? age 6 NY According to prior census Nathaniel and Freelove would of had three older children: a boy born between 1810- and 1820: and a girl born between 1810-1820 who died before 1830: and a boy born between 1820-1830. Nathaniel SHAW died in December 1850 in Angelica Allegany County. I would appreciate any information anyone may have on this SHAW family. Thanks is advance Frank Hotaling Puzzledfrank@aol.com
I do not know where my SHAW ancestors came from and I don't really care I would just like to find them so I can put that information into my genealogy file. I have been searching for quite some time. My GG Grandfather was Angeloah SHAW according to census records he would have been born in NY in about 1818. He married Mary Delilah Sapney in Angelica Allegany County NY in abt 1846. They moved to Cattaraugus County NY soon after they married. In the 1854-1855 period they moved to Jo Daviess Co. IL then to Trempealeau County Wisconsin and later to Nebraska. I have info on Angeloah from the 1850 census to the time lhe died. I would like to find who were his parents and where did he and they come from? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Frank Hotaling Puzzledfrank@aol.com
Good day. My ggrandfather John Shaw had a brother George Shaw. But do not know if he came to America. Does any one have a George Shaw born ca 1795 in or near Glossop, Derby, England.? Could have came to the states with his brother in ca 1827. Thank you. Viola.
Thank you so much for your help. I have been a member of the Clan Shaw society, and will join again sometime, but there are so many organizations and so little money that I have to take turns joining things! Lee Bartos -----Original Message----- From: George Shaw <scotsamish@cplx.net> To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com <SHAW-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [SHAW] Help >Lee, > Nothing in A Dance Called America by James Hunter. (I checked the index, >I didn't recall him) > In King's Passengers... bu Peter Wilson Coldham, there is a Crags alias >Shaw, Thomas from London in May of 1750 and a Thomas Shaw from Surrey in >1751. Ships are The Litchfield, Capt Wm. Gracie and The Thames, Capt Jas. >Dobbins, respectively. > Please consider joining Our Clan Shaw Society. > >Geordie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lee Bartos" <lee.bartos@artibbs.com> >To: <SHAW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:45 PM >Subject: [SHAW] Help > > >> Does anyone out there have the books: The King's Passengers to Maryland >and >> Virginia by Peter Wilson Coldham or A Dance Called America by James >Hunter. >> If so, please let me know if there is any information on Thomas Shaw, born >> ca 1738 Inverness Scotland. He married in 1759 in Edgefield Dst. SC - >don't >> know when he arrived here, if he was alone or with parents or siblings. I >> can't find the books anywhere in East Texas! Thanks, Lee Bartos >> lee.bartos@artibbs.com >> >> >> >> >> ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >> > > >==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >
>Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it is >neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America >among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to be >labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a lot >less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is >their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she >considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not >Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in Mexico >or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. By the way..., spanish people, like me, find more or less ofensive that most american (I mean north-american-but-not-too-north :-) )people use the same term for spanish people (born in Europe) and spanish-speaking people born elsewhere. We find it ofensive because of the lack of interest (education) in geography. When Spain was the country of the week I sent a message arguing to be the one and only spanish Shaw in the list... but it desapeared like some others. Duncan Shaw was my elusive english (born in London, 1816) gggfather who was of scottish origin. He stablish in Spain and his descendants are still there. Gregory, could you tell me what could the Shaw Society do for my research? I don't feel they can really help me. Thanks Arturo Shaw ashaw@pt.lu
One need only look at the year 2000 Census to see that "Hispanic" is used for those who wish to be be included there as class of peoples. It must have been included in recognition of common useage, right or wrong. By this time, we should all realize we are all "mutts" of the best sort. The English are having a hard time accepting this. These messages have gone far afield from the intent of my original post. :-) 'Gene Hubbard Bijan Bayne wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Villarreal [mailto:cvilla@alltel.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:49 PM > To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate > > Why do many North Americans use the same term "Spanish" to describe people > regardless of whether they are from Spain, which is in Europe, or countries > in this hemisphere such as Panama, as if they are all the same nationality. > They don't do this with the French (for example- Canadians, Haitians, and > people in Paris and The Cameroun all share a tongue, but North Americans > don't call them all French or Hisfrench ("Hispanic"). Is it lack of interest > in where the Spanish-speaking perosn is from? Is it disrepect? Is it only > done if they're Native (meaning brown Indio) looking? Do Europeans do this? > I ddoubt it. > > Mike, my response to your post was sent, but never posted! Hmmmm. The > short > version: in my long experience working with Limited-English-Proficient > students > and their families from all parts of the world, I've found that Mexicans > prefer > to be called "Mexicans" and prefer to say they speak the Mexican language, > even > when they might be full-blooded Apache or second-generation Germans living > in > Mexico, or whomever. Those from other Latin American countries--Central and > South America and Puerto Rico--prefer to be called "Latinos", for the most > part. I have found that those people who prefer to be called Hispanics are > usually ones who are very familiar with American social status and wish to > set > themselves apart from those they consider the uneducated classes. > > Mike Gregory wrote: > > > To those following this thread, > > > > I think this thread has gotten off the path it took. It sounds to me as > some > > are confusing nationality with race, or vice versa. Us humans really like > > labels and tend to choose the ones that suit us best. > > > > Nationality: Wouldn't an Englishman, or rather English person, be one who > > was born and raised in England? Just as an American is one who was born > and > > raised in America, a Scottish person is one born and raised in Scotland, > and > > an Irish person is one who was born and raised in Ireland? The nationality > > of your ancestors does not matter! My father was the first of his > namesake > > lineage to be born in the States (the rest are "English"), it would be > silly > > to say he wasn't an American because of his parents wouldn't it? > > > > Race: Biologically, there really is no such thing as race, but us humans > > like to think so that we can discriminate against others. The only true > > "race" that could call themselves American's are the Indians. It is too > > difficult to categorize humans by pure race unless you go back hundreds of > > years in history before humans were so mobile. Even then it may be > > difficult. The travel and interbreeding between different populations > makes > > race a difficult concept. > > > > Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it > is > > neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America > > among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to > be > > labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a > lot > > less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is > > their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she > > considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not > > Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in > Mexico > > or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. > > > > I have so many Nationalities in my lineage I could claim to be just > whatever > > I wanted, but when I comes right down to it I'm just a plain old American. > > One could even go as far as to call me a Californian, for where I was born > > and raised, but that might be a different arguement entirely. > > > > Mike Gregory > > Bakersfield, California > > genealogy@bak.rr.com > > http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/ > > > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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y point exactly. They still live on the same island, and white North Americans don't call them Hispanic, or even "French". I think when people see a brown face it's just convenient not to be interested in what country they're from, and lump them into "Hispanic" or "Latin". Kind of lazy, like seeing a brown face with another kind of features and calling them "Asian" (wow, a whole continent- could you be any LESS specific please?) or seeing a browner face with a certain hair texture and hearing an accent and calling a person "African"(that narrows it down doesn't it?) We don't see a non-Brown face and hear a French accent or a Cockney accent and call folk "European", now do we? I wonder why? -----Original Message----- From: Carole Villarreal [mailto:cvilla@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:30 AM To: Bijan Bayne Subject: Re: Spain debate on race Haitians speak French. Bijan Bayne wrote: > Yeah, but the only hitch there is how come Haitians aren't called Hispanic. > Cuba is near Hispaniola but not part of it- why do North Americans call > Cubans Hispanic? Or call Argentines Hispanic? Is Seve Ballasteros Hispanic > too? Is Julio Iglesias? > Is Pele "Portugese"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Villarreal [mailto:cvilla@alltel.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:00 PM > To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate > > Wow! Carla! POINTS!!! Yes, I think you're right! > -----Original Message----- From: Carole Villarreal [mailto:cvilla@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:30 AM To: Bijan Bayne Subject: Re: Spain debate on race Haitians speak French. Bijan Bayne wrote: > Yeah, but the only hitch there is how come Haitians aren't called Hispanic. > Cuba is near Hispaniola but not part of it- why do North Americans call > Cubans Hispanic? Or call Argentines Hispanic? Is Seve Ballasteros Hispanic > too? Is Julio Iglesias? > Is Pele "Portugese"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carole Villarreal [mailto:cvilla@alltel.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:00 PM > To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate > > Wow! Carla! POINTS!!! Yes, I think you're right! > > RTHumnbrd@aol.com wrote: > > > I have really enjoyed the Migration debate. I would like to add that the > > island of Haiti/Dominican Republic is called Hispanolia. I wonder if > > "hispanic" could have derived from there. > > > > Carla Marlin > > > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp
-----Original Message----- From: Carole Villarreal [mailto:cvilla@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:49 PM To: SHAW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHAW] England and Migration Debate Why do many North Americans use the same term "Spanish" to describe people regardless of whether they are from Spain, which is in Europe, or countries in this hemisphere such as Panama, as if they are all the same nationality. They don't do this with the French (for example- Canadians, Haitians, and people in Paris and The Cameroun all share a tongue, but North Americans don't call them all French or Hisfrench ("Hispanic"). Is it lack of interest in where the Spanish-speaking perosn is from? Is it disrepect? Is it only done if they're Native (meaning brown Indio) looking? Do Europeans do this? I ddoubt it. Mike, my response to your post was sent, but never posted! Hmmmm. The short version: in my long experience working with Limited-English-Proficient students and their families from all parts of the world, I've found that Mexicans prefer to be called "Mexicans" and prefer to say they speak the Mexican language, even when they might be full-blooded Apache or second-generation Germans living in Mexico, or whomever. Those from other Latin American countries--Central and South America and Puerto Rico--prefer to be called "Latinos", for the most part. I have found that those people who prefer to be called Hispanics are usually ones who are very familiar with American social status and wish to set themselves apart from those they consider the uneducated classes. Mike Gregory wrote: > To those following this thread, > > I think this thread has gotten off the path it took. It sounds to me as some > are confusing nationality with race, or vice versa. Us humans really like > labels and tend to choose the ones that suit us best. > > Nationality: Wouldn't an Englishman, or rather English person, be one who > was born and raised in England? Just as an American is one who was born and > raised in America, a Scottish person is one born and raised in Scotland, and > an Irish person is one who was born and raised in Ireland? The nationality > of your ancestors does not matter! My father was the first of his namesake > lineage to be born in the States (the rest are "English"), it would be silly > to say he wasn't an American because of his parents wouldn't it? > > Race: Biologically, there really is no such thing as race, but us humans > like to think so that we can discriminate against others. The only true > "race" that could call themselves American's are the Indians. It is too > difficult to categorize humans by pure race unless you go back hundreds of > years in history before humans were so mobile. Even then it may be > difficult. The travel and interbreeding between different populations makes > race a difficult concept. > > Regarding the term Hispanic... What is a hispanic? I would argue that it is > neither race nor nationality. It is a culture that developed in America > among Americans born to Mexican or Spanish ancestry, that didn't want to be > labeled as either three. In our discriminating times, Hispanic sounds a lot > less offensive than "Mexican" There is no nation called "Hispania" nor is > their an Hispanic language. My wife's ancestry is from Mexico, but she > considers herself and American, and her second language is Mexican, not > Spanish or Hispanic! Something else I wondered... do those living in Mexico > or Spain call themselves Hispanic? I doubt it. > > I have so many Nationalities in my lineage I could claim to be just whatever > I wanted, but when I comes right down to it I'm just a plain old American. > One could even go as far as to call me a Californian, for where I was born > and raised, but that might be a different arguement entirely. > > Mike Gregory > Bakersfield, California > genealogy@bak.rr.com > http://home.bak.rr.com/mg/ > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!
Eleanor, my ancestor, Warren Shaw, was born in 1808 in Johnstown, NY. I haven't been able to locate 1800 or 1810 census records for Fulton County, but if you can do so, you might find that Warren and Anthony were brothers. My family bible does not list Warren's siblings, but his parents were listed as John and Persis Shaw. I have found no trace of John and Persis in any New York county. Warren Shaw died in Birmingham, Iowa, 3 Feb, 1871. I have no idea why he was there. His wife was Semantha Millington (died 1881 in Ohio) and they married there (Johnstown) in 1833. One of their sons, Rufus Millington Shaw, married Maria Brown Smith in 1839. She was born in Mecca, Trumbull County, Ohio, and their children were born there. They both died in Ohio. I don't have any record of siblings for Rufus. I'm going to put your address in a special place and if I get more information on John and Persis or Warren's siblings, I'll let you know. I hope you will do the same. If you have any more information on Anthony, please e-mail me. EGarretson@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am tracing my Anthony Shaw who married Sophia Spinning at Rome NY May, 4, > 1826. They lived in and around Lee Oneida Co. NY until 1839 when they moved > West to Iowa. Sophia Spinning Shaw was born in Lee, Oneida Co. NY. > > Children born in Oneida Co. NY: > John Shaw b. 1827 d. 1831 > Charles Edward Shaw b. 1828 d. 1897 Dixon Scott Co. Iowa > Alford O. Shaw b. 1830 > Mary S. Shaw b. 1833 d 1858 Dixon Scott Co. Iowa > Roswell Shaw b. 1834 > John Shaw b. 1835 d. 1835 > Susan Shaw b 1836 d. 1919 Pond Creek, MO. > Amanda Shaw b. 1839 > > Children born Iowa or Illinois: > > Don Carlos Shaw b. 1842 in Iowa > Herbert A. Shaw b. 1844 Lee Co. Iowa > William Henry Shaw b. 1847 in Lake Co. Illinois d. 1936 Norton Co. KS > George H. Shaw b. 1849 prob. Scott Co. IA > Varnum Shaw b. 1852 prob. Scott Co. IA > > Anthony Shaw's father is supposedly John Shaw. Can someone help me find to > which line Anthony Shaw b. June 24, 1805 connects? > > Thank you, Eleanor > . > > ==== SHAW Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp
Hi, I am tracing my Anthony Shaw who married Sophia Spinning at Rome NY May, 4, 1826. They lived in and around Lee Oneida Co. NY until 1839 when they moved West to Iowa. Sophia Spinning Shaw was born in Lee, Oneida Co. NY. Children born in Oneida Co. NY: John Shaw b. 1827 d. 1831 Charles Edward Shaw b. 1828 d. 1897 Dixon Scott Co. Iowa Alford O. Shaw b. 1830 Mary S. Shaw b. 1833 d 1858 Dixon Scott Co. Iowa Roswell Shaw b. 1834 John Shaw b. 1835 d. 1835 Susan Shaw b 1836 d. 1919 Pond Creek, MO. Amanda Shaw b. 1839 Children born Iowa or Illinois: Don Carlos Shaw b. 1842 in Iowa Herbert A. Shaw b. 1844 Lee Co. Iowa William Henry Shaw b. 1847 in Lake Co. Illinois d. 1936 Norton Co. KS George H. Shaw b. 1849 prob. Scott Co. IA Varnum Shaw b. 1852 prob. Scott Co. IA Anthony Shaw's father is supposedly John Shaw. Can someone help me find to which line Anthony Shaw b. June 24, 1805 connects? Thank you, Eleanor .