We hear a lot about immigration to the U.S., but what about the Irish who traveled and settled in Argentina? My great-grandfather, Joseph Francis Gorman (became O'Gorman in Canada) and his sister Margaret left Ireland for Argentina around 1868 and settled in Alejandra, Santa Fe Province. His name is on the town square in the village as one of the founders. He married one Julia Beckley, whose family came from Port Elizabeth, South Africa. In 1907, the family, including seven grown children, immigrated to Canada via Nova Scotia to homestead in Alberta Province. On his marriage certificate to Julia, it states that he was born in Youghal, Cork, Ireland. After much searching, I have located her marriage in 1867 in Youghal (believe she was widowed a short time later) but cannot locate any baptismal records in Cork County. Have had Mallow Heritage Centre and BoraBoru Heritage Centre search -- and can't come up with anything further. Have had correspondence with the parish priest at St. Mary's in Youghal -- he searched the records and he can't find it either. Is there any more information to be had? Believe the people who settled the village came on the ship "Santa Caterina" as that was the original name of the village before Alejandra. Any ideas? Passenger lists? or what. Margaret's marriage to Mr. Davis in Youghal showed her father's name as George and that he was a carpenter. When that is listed does that mean that George was still alive on her wedding day? - or - could he have been deceased? Any help appreciated. Shirley in Oregon shurrell@gte.net

In Civil Marriage Registration films I have viewed recently (for Tipperary), father's name was included and if deceased that was noted. LizD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Hurrell" <shurrell@gte.net> To: <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: [SH] Irish Immigration to Argentina > > Margaret's marriage to Mr. Davis in Youghal showed her father's name as > George and that he was a carpenter. When that is listed does that mean that > George was still alive on her wedding day? - or - could he have been > deceased? > > Any help appreciated. > > Shirley in Oregon > shurrell@gte.net >

I'm afraid that the rule of stating whether or not a bride or groom's father was or was not still living at the time of the marriage was not often observed. Therefore it is NOT safe to assume that no mention of the father being deceased means that he was still living ! Hope this helps. Cheers, Steven Smyrl APGI ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Davenport <kingfisher2@mindspring.com> To: <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SH] Irish Immigration to Argentina > In Civil Marriage Registration films I have viewed recently (for > Tipperary), father's name was included and if deceased that was noted. > > LizD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shirley Hurrell" <shurrell@gte.net> > To: <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:25 PM > Subject: [SH] Irish Immigration to Argentina > > > > > > Margaret's marriage to Mr. Davis in Youghal showed her father's name > as > > George and that he was a carpenter. When that is listed does that > mean that > > George was still alive on her wedding day? - or - could he have been > > deceased? > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Shirley in Oregon > > shurrell@gte.net > > > > ______________________________