I am looking for any information at all about a John JACK who was residing in Dun Laoghaire aka Kingstown, Ireland, in 1845 when his son David JACK was born. David JACK married, 4 April 1868, Susannah NEWMAN in Surbiton, Surrey, England. In 1882, with six children, they sailed for Australia Val

To all: Those of you who signed up (or tried to) for the new Irish Placenames List were probably as surprised as the two list owners were (I can't repeat what they said). This series of Irish mailing lists has been under the aegis of e-groups, a very casual and easy group to deal with. E-groups were purchased by Yahoo (look up the name in the dictionary, if you don't already know) last summer, but Yahoo had made no effort to exercise its management principles (or non-principles - think Yahoo, Nazi memorabilia, French courts) until, coincidentally, the very day that the IPS list was introduced. The words Anschluss and Blitzkrieg come to mind. Even the list owners were not advised of the change of policy in advance. Now, everyone is scrambling. New subscribers are asked a lot of information which was completely absent from the original e-groups procedure. Registration, passwords, ID number, ugh !! I am as unhappy as the list owners.....I had posted the announcement of the list opening on about 30 genealogy lists. For the time being, the lists are all functioning normally. However, I have a suspicion that there might be a change in the list "portal" (if that's what you'd call it) sometime soon. Now that I've got this mass mailing down to a science, I'll keep you informed of any changes. Meanwhile, if you don't mind the hassle of the Yahoo registration procedure, or if you're already a Yahoo "member"; the list still goes on and, by the way, is thriving !!!! Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Linking the Irish of Palo Alto Co, IA one record at a time. Obits, census records, military records, newspaper clippings and more! This is where all the Irish are related in one big Family Tree file! http://www.rootsweb.com/~iapaloal/paloalto.htm Note: I am not directly related. See above website for additional info and searches. Emmetsburg Democrat Emmetsburg, Palo Alto, Iowa Wednesday, March 7, 1923 MRS. ROBT. CARNEY DIES AT AGE OF 93 She Was a Resident of Palo Alto County for 58 Years Mrs. Robert Carney, Sr., of this city, whose serious condition was reported in last week's Democrat, died on Thursday morning. The previous Sunday morning she received a stroke of paralysis. She never rallied. Her advanced years and worn down physical condition were against her. The funeral was held Saturday forenoon. Services were conducted at the Assumption church, Rev. L.J. Savage celebrating the requiem high mass. At the close he paid a high tribute to the worth of Mrs. Carney as an exemplary, Christian lady, as a patient, dutiful mother and as a useful and helpful member of society. All who heard his remarks were more than satisfied that his estimate of her worth as a woman was not overdrawn. The burial was in St. John's cemetery. The pall bearers were six of her grandsons, R.J., F.J., E.F., Hugh, Leo and Joseph Carney. Numerous relatives and old neighbors were in attendance. Mary Gardner was born at Ennistimon, county of Clare, Ireland, in December, 1829. Her age was 93. When she was sixteen years old she came to the United States and settled at Cherryfield, Maine. Later she came to Oshkosh, Wisconsin. In November, 1857, she was united in marriage to Robert Carney. Mr. and Mrs. Carney came to Palo Alto county in 1865. They settled on the farm which is now the property of Mrs. William Molloy. It is situated in Great Oak township. Later they moved onto their place south of the old William O'Brien homestead where they resided for many years. In 1900 they came to this city, building a home in the Fourth ward a short distance east of the Assumption church. Mr. Carney passed away in 1903. Mrs. Carney is survived by four sons and one daughter. The sons are John J., Robert, William and James P. All live in this vicinity except Robert, who resides at Algona. The only daughter, Miss Mary Carney, made her home with her mother. There are twenty-three grandchildren and four great grand-children. For 58 years Mrs. Carney labored patiently and tirelessly and made numerous and costly sacrifices for the members of her household and for others with whom she came in contact in her regular duties. She often gave wise counsel and timely assistance to those about her. She was unusually humble and quiet. She was charitably inclined towards all but she made no display of her anxiety to lead a helpful, useful life and to do what she could for the betterment of society. The lofty aims and the substantial assurances of her faith always encouraged her in every serious undertaking in which she engaged. She was greatly attached to the teachings of her church, always regarded them as strengthening and uplifting in her trials and found them a source of abiding comfort in her declining years. She generally enjoyed health and strength and she lived to a ripe old age. The influence of this mild, lovable, exemplary Christian mother is well reflected in the lives of the four sons and the daughter who survive her. How consoling it must have been to her before the end came to realize that those whom she had trained and directed in childhood and in youth had turned to enduring benefit in her good example and the kindly admonitions she had so often given them. The surviving members of the family have the profound sympahty of the many who knew Mrs. Carney and who justly honored her for her many redeeming virtues.

For detailed info on the Civil Registration system in Ireland and how to research records after 1864 and before 1864, see that section on my Helpful Hints page, url below. That page was started with the information that was most often asked on mailing lists, so if you have not checked it out you may want to do so. There are some things that pertain just to Ireland, but other topics that are more general. Maura <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

Good Morning, I have a couple of very silly questions. What years did the Irish potato famine span e.g. 1845 - 1849? I believe there was a Relief Plan enacted around that time ...... am I correct, if yes, what years did the act cover? Were there provisions under the Relief act to move poor people from Ireland to Canada? If yes, what were the terms and conditions of leaving Ireland? Are there any list of em migrants from Ireland to Canada for the 1840's and 1850's? Harold Akers Oakville, Ontario, Canada Searching Akers in Lancashire, England Sullivans in Ontario and Ireland Rorke's in Ontario and Ireland <http://acsc@interlog.com/>acsc<http://acsc@interlog.com/>@interlog.com

In a message dated 1/27/01 7:01:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Denyse at podfam@ultra.net.au writes: << It may be an interesting list but do read the Terms you are agreeing to before subscribing or you might find yourself wondering why on earth you are receiving lots of mail you don't want. >> Denyse, It's hard to believe that there is anyone more distraught (well, maybe not THAT strong) than I am over what has happened over the last few days. Just at the time that MAQQI was creating and announcing his newest e-groups mailing-list..........Yahoo decided it was time to exercise their control over e-groups (which they had bought last summer, I understand). The moderators of these Irish history, etc. lists are going crazy with complaints.....including mine. In the good old days, everything was simple - no questions, no ID's, no passwords. But it is truly a mess right now. I can't access my e-groups membership summary without going through hoops to appease the great Yahoo gods. Now we know why they are called Yahoo. It may be easier for newer subscribers, as they won't have to make a lot of changes to bookmarks, addresses, etc. As for myself, I have not yet succumbed to the iron fist of the Yahoos and filled-out their "little questionnaire". I may just have to leave the Yahoo groups completely. All I know is, I will continue to be on all of the rootsweb lists, doing whatever it is that I have been doing. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

It may be an interesting list but do read the Terms you are agreeing to before subscribing or you might find yourself wondering why on earth you are receiving lots of mail you don't want. Regards, Denyse in Queensland -- Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:15:13 EST From: PeteScherm@aol.com To: SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SH] New Irish Placenames mailing list, etc. Here's the advent of a new era in locating that pesky townland or "village". (From a friend, with permission). -->> ANNOUNCEMENT New Internet Discussion Group & Website - Irish Placename Studies We are pleased to announce that a new discussion group with the above title has been created.

It's the newsletter of the Irish Genealogical Soc, Int'l: see here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/septs/index/septs_index.htm Its a great publication. Worth joining IGSI for it, even if you never set foot in MN. Janet C-S

My great-grandfather came from the Glenflesk (aka Iron Mills, Old Forge) area of Co Kerry, Ireland. His name was PATRICK KELLEY (2nd -e- added in the US), son of PATRICK KELLY and ELLEN DONOGHUE (both had O in front of their surnames at one point). He was born in 1855. I have recently learned of additional siblings and where they emigrated to, and I have listed them all below. I am looking to connect with anyone who may be a descendant of these KELLY people. Bryan (stayed in Glenflsk), married #1 to Hanora O CONNELL. Later married #2-Margaret O SULLIVAN-- their daughter, Maggie married JOHN O SULLIVAN in Australia Michael-USA Ellen, married O CONNOR, Glounanae Kate, married PATRICK O DONOGHUE, Kileen. (Carman) Mary, born 1840- emigrated to Hadley, MA USA Margaret, born 4/1/1848 Jeremiah, born 9/3/1849 Bernard, born 10/26/1837 Denis, born 6/1/1845, emigrated to Hadley, MA John, born 6/26/1852, emigrated to SLC, Utah, then possibly to Illinois Sincerely, Patsy

> >Does anyone have a copy of the January 2001 Septs Newsletter or know where I >might get a copy? Check out the IGSI bookstore at http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/bookstore.htm Jack Jack Reidy jackreidy@email.com http://jackreidy.homepage.com http://www.geocities.com/jackreidy/limerick.htm

Please tell me what is the "Septs Newsletter" Anita Carroll

Kay2py asked for info from the January 2001 Septs re Joseph Barry. The e-mail address in her message is correct, i.e., it is the one listed in the Septs membership directory. If she wants his mailing address in Georgia, please contact me directly, rather than through SHAMROCK. Joanne

To all listers: Here's the advent of a new era in locating that pesky townland or "village". (From a friend, with permission). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> ANNOUNCEMENT New Internet Discussion Group & Website - Irish Placename Studies We are pleased to announce that a new discussion group with the above title has been created. Irish Placename Studies has been designed to fulfil a number of requirements: - To provide a central point for general enquiries about Irish placenames - To bring together those currently working in placename & related fields on the internet - To consolidate and build on the various placename and mapping projects on the internet - To work in conjunction with established placename organisations in Ireland - To raise awareness of, and begin to act on, poorly researched areas of Irish placename studies Basically, from your point of view what all that boils down to is this: We're there to handle queries about untraceable townlands or parishes etc., discuss modern and medieval placename issues, bring amateur enthusiasts and experts together, raise awareness of issues like the near total lack of recording and study of Irish field names etc., and above all to drag together all those disparate groups producing digital parish & townland maps and placename database materials like the awe-inspiring IREAtlas to begin a coordinated effort to digitally map out Ireland's placenames, making huge volumes of accurate data available free to... well people like you. Oh, and there'll shortly be a website tied to the discussion group, and acting as a home/ gateway to whatever datasets or articles we produce or can find elsewhere on the 'net. The general idea is to build up a critical mass of people so that achieving some of the above (admittedly gigantic) tasks actually becomes feasible. The discussions are all moderated, so there aren't any nuts pushing obscene or offensive ideas or material, and the tone is open, friendly and enthusiastic. 8-) So, want to be in on this enormous, exciting, challenging, terrifying project from the start...? or just want to ask some simple questions? Here's what you need to do: Step 1: email a blank message to this address - irish-placename-studies-subscribe@egroups.com Step 2: there is no step 2... you're in! 8-) Looking forward to seeing you there... MAQQI list owner, Irish Placename Studies list-group owner, Irish Archaeology & History Mailinglist Suite: Stone Age: stone-age-ireland-subscribe@egroups.com Bronze Age: bronze-age-ireland-subscribe@egroups.com Iron Age: iron-age-ireland-subscribe@egroups.com 400-1200AD: early-med-irl-subscribe@egroups.com 1000-1700AD: lategael-subscribe@egroups.com 1600-1900AD: early-modern-ireland-subscribe@egroups.com Archaeology: irisharchaeology-subscribe@egroups.com Settlement: irish-settlement-studies-subscribe@egroups.com Natural History: irish-natural-history-subscribe@egroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hi the list, Have just subscribed, as i have found some Irish ancestors to search for. Grandmothers name Julia Brennan,born 1881,Clark-Hill,Tipperary,Ireland. Father, Patrick Brennan, Mother Julia Brennan nee Hoctor. Can someone help me with where is Clark-Hill, and any info on the family or where I would start looking. Tia Wally in Hamilton, sunny New Zealand.

I received a letter from a cousin in Wyoming who is also descended from Owen and Catherine Timmons, who emigrated from Ireland to Liverpool, NY in the 1830's. She is not on the net. She stated that in the January 2001 issue of the Septs Newsletter, Joseph Barry was noted as researching "Timmons - Leinster, Co. Meath - Irish Location U. S. location - L. Onondaga, Liverpool,NY." I attempted to email Joseph Barry at MezzaVoce@aol.com but was notified this is not a valid address. Does anyone have a copy of the January 2001 Septs Newsletter or know where I might get a copy? Kay Timmons Annapolis, MD

when asking for information about the Purcells ,I forget to ask if there might be any McDowds in Ireland. My father and grandfather were William Arthur McDowd from Detroit and Ireland before that.I haven't been able to trace them before 1901 although I have the marriage certificate for my Grandfather Wm A McDowd and Dolly Purcell in Detroit, Michigan in 1890. I am still searching the census. I want to thank you for your help with Ppurcell. I will search right away. Thank you. I am really new to the computer but am learning about it everyday. Mary Margaret Purcell-McDowd Whitlock Peggywhit@earthlink.net

Many, many times, when "family stories" say the ancestor "came from Cork" or "emigrated from Cork" that doesn't mean they -lived- there, it refers to the fact that they got on the boat there. Of course, some immigrants also lived in Cork for a time either waiting for the boat or earning the money for a ticket. While County Cork is very large, there is no feasible way everyone who says they "came from Cork" actually lived there... and this has even happened in my own family where I have cousins who -insist- the family came from Cork even when evidence proves otherwise. Family stories are good places to start, sometimes they are correct or have some truth, but always go with the evidence. Maura <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

Many, many thanks to those who answered my queries. I truly appreciate it. It's very kind to give so much of your time and thought to help me in my quest for family. Happy days to all. Fran

Your e mail does not print out but here is what you need: Clarkill, 231 acres, Tipperary NR Barony: Lower Ormond Parish: Uskane PLU: Borrisokane Province: Munster

My GGrandfather Henry Purcell left Ireland for Canada later moving to Detroit. This might have been 1850-60. His wife died in Canada leaving 3-4 children . The family moved to Detroit,Michigan. I would like to know more about them and what part of Ireland they came from. I know this is asking a lot. I cannot find them in the US Census.I would appreciate any information or suggestions. Thank you.Mary Whitlock Peggywhit@earthlink.net