WHO IS AINMIRE SCARIFF? He is recorded in my family ancestral line circa 1600. A relative travelling in Ireland records..... "A very entertaining Shaugnessy in a Kinsale hotel was telling traditional myths, when all of a sudden he started telling the legend of Ainmire Scariff of the Slieve (Luachra) mountains, a mixture of a Robin Hood - Rob Roy character. We asked where he got the story from and he said it had been handed down from father to son for years." Where exactly are the Slieve Luachra mountains located? I have been told that they separate Co.Kerry & Co. Limerick. Is this so? My family folklore records that early Scariff ancestors lived in the region of present day Co. Limerick. I suspect that the above reference would apply to the area around Castleisland, Co.Kerry. Does any person have any knowledge of the existence of a person named AINMIRE SCARIFF in the kingdom of Munster circa 1600? Other spellings of this family name recorded in those early years were.....Scarfth, Scarfh, Scarfe and Scarf. Present day Irish relatives use the spelling of "Scariff". Any clues would be greatly appreciated. Darryl Scarff Australia

Go to Rootsweb.com .....they have lists for all the countys of Ireland SLC CHARLES S BRACK wrote: > > How do I find the individual Irish county mail lists? > > thanks, Charles > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > **Civil Registration began in Ireland > in 1864. Before that time, you will > need to access parish registers. See > http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints **

How do I find the individual Irish county mail lists? thanks, Charles

Does anyone know the meaning of "furnas" as used during the Medieval times. I am reading the Dowdall Deeds and there is a listing in 1640 and the word furnas has quotes around it. I've looked at various medieval glossary websites and can't find it. Possibly it means just furnace, but would they have had a furnace in 1640 and don't understand why quote marks would be around the word. The following is the exerpt: Christopher agrees that after this death Stephen shall have the chief and best cup of his plate, his best horse and the "furnas" in Castleton for principals. Stephen shall give his said brother Charles the "furnas" and the clock in Killaly, and shall have the clock in Castleton himself. Go raibh maith agat (thank you) for any help that you can offer regarding this word. Slan go foill, Margaret (Mairead)

Books of Survey and Distribution were made of the owners of land confiscated and distributed by Cromwell (1650s). Four volumes have been published listing the proprietors as of 1640. I put the words in Google and found this: PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE of NORTHERN IRELAND. The Books Of Survey and Distribution. Compiled ... proni.nics.gov.uk/records/survey.htm Ellen Pat Wood wrote: > > Greetings > > What is The Book of Survey and Distribution? Is is known more commonly > by another name? > > It is listed as one of the resources available at the East Galway > Heritage Centre. > > Thanks very much. > > Pat Wood > Fircrest, WA > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** Visit TIARA for many helpful links > http://www.tiara.ie **

Thank you,Tony, for all the work that you have done. I do not have any family in either of those counties but I know that it can be a real find for researchers in those counties. My research is 7/8 in Ireland and I have hit many a brick wall but I am still trying. but part of the research is in the journey and when one question is answered there are 3 more questions staring you in the face. Mary Kay with family from Co Mayo, Co Monaghan, Co Rosscommon and Co Cavan.

Hi, Do you know if your Shanacie was named Shaugnessy? Thanks, Laurie (list owner Shaughnessy-L and OShaughnessy-L) -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Scarff [mailto:dscarff@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 7:36 PM To: SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SH] WHO IS AINMIRE SCARIFF? WHO IS AINMIRE SCARIFF? He is recorded in my family ancestral line circa 1600. A relative travelling in Ireland records..... "A very entertaining Shaugnessy in a Kinsale hotel was telling traditional myths, when all of a sudden he started telling the legend of Ainmire Scariff of the Slieve (Luachra) mountains, a mixture of a Robin Hood - Rob Roy character. We asked where he got the story from and he said it had been handed down from father to son for years." Where exactly are the Slieve Luachra mountains located? I have been told that they separate Co.Kerry & Co. Limerick. Is this so? My family folklore records that early Scariff ancestors lived in the region of present day Co. Limerick. I suspect that the above reference would apply to the area around Castleisland, Co.Kerry. Does any person have any knowledge of the existence of a person named AINMIRE SCARIFF in the kingdom of Munster circa 1600? Other spellings of this family name recorded in those early years were.....Scarfth, Scarfh, Scarfe and Scarf. Present day Irish relatives use the spelling of "Scariff". Any clues would be greatly appreciated. Darryl Scarff Australia ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== ** To unsubscribe from this list send unsubscribe to SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com for regular mode, or SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest **

Linking the Irish of Palo Alto Co, IA one record at a time. Obits, census records, military records, newspaper clippings and more! This is where all the Irish are related in one big Family Tree file! http://www.rootsweb.com/~iapaloal/paloalto.htm Note: I am not directly related. See above website for additional info and searches. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Emmetsburg Democrat Emmetsburg, Palo Alto, Iowa Thursday, March 24, 1934 Uncle of Brennan Bros. Dies in Ireland John Brennan hands us the following from a County Mayo, Ireland newspaper which tells of the death of Michael Fitzpatrick, a brother of Mrs. John Hughes and the late Mrs. Edward Brennan [Mary Fitzpatrick] of this place: "While working on his land Thursday evening, Michael FITZPATRICK (69), Knockatubber, Claremorris, was taken suddenly ill and died within a few minutes. The deceased was seen to fall by a neighbor named RUANE, who immediately rushed for assistance, but in vain. An inquest was not considered necessary. His remains were taken to Claremorris church on Friday, and on Saturday Mass was offered for the repose of his soul. Very Rev. M.J. Canon MacHugh, P.P., was celebrant of the Mass, and was assisted by Rev. Fr. McHugh, C.C., do., sub-deacon. Rev. Fr. McEvilly, C.C., Crossboyne, was master of ceremonies and the funeral took place that day to the family grave at Ballinasmalla." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael Fitzpatrick's sister, Mary Fitzpatrick Brennan's obit stated: Emmetsburg Thurs. Reporter, Nov. 30, 1933 Survived by 2 sons: John and Lawrence and 2 sisters, Mrs. John Hughes of Great Oak Twp and Sarah Fitzpatrick, Ireland and 2 bros., John of N.Y. and Michael of Ireland. She came to the U.S. in 1881 and to Iowa in 1882. They made their home in Palo Alto Co. after their marriage in 1885. Cathy

Does anyone know of any good websites about the famine and particularly about people moving to England during the famine and old newspaper articles about the famine? Thanks Tim

Greetings What is The Book of Survey and Distribution? Is is known more commonly by another name? It is listed as one of the resources available at the East Galway Heritage Centre. Thanks very much. Pat Wood Fircrest, WA

Jerome There's a List for people interested in both genealogy and travel in Europe and the UK, etc. There are some very helpful people on this List including a couple of travel agents who are not pushy but generous in their advice. Here are the details. The address is: <GEN-TRAVEL-EUROPE-L@rootsweb.com> If you go into the Rootsweb site at http://rootsweb.com/ and then scroll down to Mailing Lists and follow the instructions from there to subscribe. Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia What's your story? Wordweavers Weaving your memories Weaving your stories http://www.wordweavers.net From: "Jerome J McDermott" <jmcdermott45@juno.com> To: <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com> > Hi > I would like to get a travel plan for Ireland for the coming spring. What > I would like to visit is Galway, Limerick, Waterford, possibly Mayo and

The Famine Decade, Contemporary Accounts, 1841-1851 Edited by John Killen. ISBN 0-85640-560-4 $22.00 is not online. Illustrated with contemporary drawings and cartoons, Killen's book is unique in its direct presentation of the information and commentary that was available to the public and to decision-makers at the time. Newspaper reports, editorials, accounts by relief agencies, government reports, parliamentary debates, scientific comment and agricultural advice show a situation rapidly running catastrophically out of control as the potato blight spread. Never losing sight of the actual horror, this book takes the contemporary reader in and helps to explain how the Great Famine overwhelmed the country. The Great Hunger in Ireland by Christine Kinealy, explores the influences that shaped the responses to the Famine. Demonstrates how many current attitudes and arguments about the Famine - Ideological, political, and commercial - were evident during the event itself. The Famine--"The Times"--and Donegal http://www.magma.ca/~jward/famcont.html Workhouse Famine Records http://www.magma.ca/~jward/workhouse1.html Girls Orphaned by Irish Famine Australian Monument Lists 400 Names Thanks to worldlingo.com and its computer-generated multi-lingual translation service, readers may access this page in five main language texts, French, German, Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese. The foreword, Mise agus mo Sgéal réamfhocal do'n leathanach seo, remains in Irish. http://www2.magmacom.com/~jward/ Ellen Tim Callaghan wrote: > > Does anyone know of any good websites about the famine and particularly > about people moving to England during the famine and old newspaper articles > about the famine? > > Thanks > > Tim > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > **Civil Registration began in Ireland > in 1864. Before that time, you will > need to access parish registers. See > http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints **

> _Joan, That was great advice to walk around Dublin but take a day for Bray. We lived there for 10 months and loved it. Go into the shops and pubs and you will probably find someone that knew the family. Barbara > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [SH] Advice Please > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:09:11 -0000 > From: "jJoanlaw" <jJoanlaw@tinyworld.co.uk> > To: SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello all, > I wonder if anyone could give me a bit of advice. > In three weeks time my husband and myself are going to Dublin for six days > short break,and when he is busy sampling the dark stuff, I want to do some > family history. > > I have very little info, the only thing I have is my gt grandmother was born > at Wicklow, and according to my late mother & grandmother the place she came > from was Bray. My gt grandmothers name was ELLEN BUCKLEY, born 1845-1850 her > father was JOHN BUCKLEY he was a builder by trade. They were Catholic's. > > What I wanted to know is where is the best place to start, I know my chances > of finding anything out are slim, but I would still like to try. > I wonder if anyone knows what information there is for this time frame, and > any advice at all would be very much appreciated. > That,s to everyone in taking time to read my message. > Very best wishes Joan. > > ______________________________

Jane ROBINSON: Jane Robinson was born 1832 in Oldcastle, Meath, Ireland.. Does anyone have information on her parents or family? Did she leave Ireland? Source: LDS IGI data as of February 1997 Batch #: 1660437, Sheet #: 28, Source Call #: 1553893.

Tonight marks the debut of the Rootsweb collection of Irish Church records they have just set up. I have donated the 2,835 complete transcriptions of County Tipperary and Limerick marriage and baptismal records which are now on Rootsweb database. It is comprised of 1,765 baptismal records and 1,070 marriage records. These records were collected from nearly 100 generous donors, primarily Tippreary List and Limerick List subscribers, who had acquired these records as a result of their own search. I compiled them and put them in the place where I feel that they will reach the most researchers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurchrecords/index.htm Search Rootsweb's new Irish Church Records; Tipperary and Limerick This was begun over a year ago, to overcome the problems encountered in trying to access church records of the Archdiocese of Cashel & Emly. The current and previous Bishops had withdrawn permission to find the records anywhere, including The National Library, which has an excellent collection of church records form Cashel & Emly but can no longer, at the insistence of the Bishop, allow researchers to view them. This gave the Tipperary Heritage Unit nearly a monopoly on the records. And if researchers thought things cound not get worse, now The Tipperary Heritage Unit itself has closed! This is why we have been pooling all of the available records to make this information. If you have ancestors who may have been from Tipperary and the parts of County Limerick covered by the Archdiocese of Cashel & Emly, you must spend some time with these records. It is not nearly a complete listing of the records of these Tipperary and Limerick parishes but it is far better than NOTHING. We are also still accepting record donations if you have complete transcriptions of the above described type of church records. The additional ones will be submitted to Rootsweb periodically. Contact me for details. Thank you, Tony Riordan triordan@msn.com _________________________________________________________ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurchrecords/index.htm Search Rootsweb's new Irish Church Records; Tipperary and Limerick

Joan wrote: <snip> In three weeks time my husband and myself are going to Dublin for six days > short break,and when he is busy sampling the dark stuff, I want to do some > family history. >I have very little info, the only thing I have is my gt grandmother was born >at Wicklow, and according to my late mother & grandmother the place she came >from was Bray. My gt grandmothers name was ELLEN BUCKLEY, born 1845-1850 her >father was JOHN BUCKLEY he was a builder by trade. They were Catholic's. >What I wanted to know is where is the best place to start, I know my chances >of finding anything out are slim, but I would still like to try. >I wonder if anyone knows what information there is for this time frame, and >any advice at all would be very much appreciated. >That,s to everyone in taking time to read my message. As you're only starting to research in Dublin and as your time is limited, the very first step you should take is to go to the Genealogy Service at the National Library in Kildare Street. This service is run by a National Library staff member and a rota of members of APGI (the Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland). So you will get expert advice and it's absolutely FREE! Be sure to bring any relevant information you may have, including photocopies. You might ask the genealogist on duty to put you in contact with Mrs. Claire Crowther, who maintains the Bray Cualann Historical Society's index to the Bray parish registers. Though Mrs. Crowther doesn't do research on a professional basis she is extremely knowledgeable about sources and about Bray. So if you do contact her and ask for help you might consider giving a donation to her society in lieu of research fees. Paul Gorry What's What in Irish Genealogy http://indigo.ie/~gorry

The Committee for the 4th Irish Genealogical Congress has announced that Vivien Costello will be the Keynote Speaker for the Opening Dinner. Mrs. Costello is Chairman of CIGO (the Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations) for 2001 and is a committee member of IGC4. She has been involved in Irish genealogical circles since the early 1980s and her main area of research is her Huguenot ancestry. With the late Nora Fahie she was joint founder of the Irish Section of the Huguenot Society of Great Britain and Ireland. The 4th IGC is scheduled for 17-23 September 2001. While all lectures will be held at Trinity College, Dublin, the opening dinner will be at the Hilton Hotel, along the Grand Canal, Dublin, and the Congress Banquet will be at Clontarf Castle. The Irish Genealogical Congress is an international conference dealing with family history and related subjects of interest to the Irish worldwide. It is open to anyone interested in Irish genealogy as a hobby or a profession. Patron of the Congress is the Lord O'Neill. Aideen M. Ireland, President of the IGC, a senior archivist at the National Archives of Ireland, is also the current Chairman the Society of Archivists, the organisation of professional archivists in the British Isles. Genealogists from Ireland who will address the Congress include, among many others: Eileen O'Duill, Helen Kelly and Tony McCarthy. The program of lectures includes American specialists in Irish genealogy: Dwight Radford, Kyle Betit, Marie V. Melchiori, Elizabeth Kerstens and R. Andrew Pierce. The complete program for the week-long Congress is posted on the website: http://indigo.ie/~irishgc. The website contains reservation details and a continually updated list of speakers and events. Paul Gorry IGC Chairman

CONNOLLY and SHEEHAN are in the top 50 most common surnames in Ireland . CONNOLLY's occurring all over the place, whereas almost 50% of SHEEHAN's are located in Cork. However TAGAN is extremely rare so I would search for that surname first. Since you have an approximate date for a birth for that name. Remember to check for alternate spellings TEIGAN; TEEGAN; TEGAN; TEGAn; & TEAGAN. The FHL film numbers for births are Index of births 1868 --------------------- 0101045 Index of births 1869 --------------------- 0101046 The registration district for cork are:- Cork...........Bandon Cork...........Bantry Cork...........Castletown Cork...........Clonakilly Cork...........Cork Cork...........Cork North Cork...........Dunmanway Cork...........Fermoy Cork...........Kanturk/Kenturk Cork...........Kenturk/Kanturk Cork...........Kilmallock Cork...........Kinsale Cork...........Lismore Cork...........Mallow Cork...........Middleton Cork...........Millstreet Cork...........Mitchelstown Cork...........Skibbereen Cork...........Skull Cork...........Youghal Gus Ellis

First, get the civil birth and marriage record of each and every person you named. Civil registration of births, deaths and marriages in Ireland names the townland which is the address in rural Ireland. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Mormons, has copies of almost all of the General Register Office indices and some registers, making direct access to both registers and indices possible through the local Family History Centers. You can do-it-yourself at the local Family History Centers because the FHL has acquired Irish civil registration records that can be viewed at Family History Centers scattered throughout the world, located in the LDS meeting-houses. The FHCs are generally listed in the local phonebook under Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints with its own phone number or go to familysearch.org. In some communities, Family Search is in the local public library. No charge is made for using the resources at the local FHC except for a rental fee for microfilm from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. Birth certificates include the date and place of birth; the name; the sex; the name, surname and residence of the father; the name, surname, maiden surname of the mother; the rank, profession or occupation of the father; and the name and qualifications of the informant, usually a family member. A given name was not obligatory, so some entries are Kelly, Male or Clarke, Female. The FHLC holds microfilm copies of the Birth Index 1864-1955; Records 1864-1881 and 1900-1955 (note the gaps 1882-1899 and 1913-1930 in the FHLC). Some pages are missing from 1869: p. 49-50 (gap between Carroll, John, of Dungannon and Carvill, James Richard, of Limerick; and all pages following Thompson, Elenor Jane, of Belfast. If you search the Index and can identify your target, note the name, district, volume and page. Then, determine the appropriate FHLC microfilm number. You may then complete the "Request to Photocopy" following the instructions to the letter and mail it with a check for $2.00. In addition, some parts of the early years of birth registrations appear to be included in the International Genealogical Index. A certain proportion of all three categories, births, marriages and deaths, simply went unregistered. It is impossible to be sure how much is not there, since the thoroughness of local registration depended very much on local conditions and on the individuals responsible, but experience in crosschecking from other sources such as parish and census records suggests that as much as 10 to 15 per cent of marriages and births simply do not appear in the registers. Foreign applications: Fees are payable in Irish pound currency, Draft I.E.P. or Euro checks or bank drafts drawn on an Irish Bank, made payable to the Registrar General. Sterling checks, Postal Orders, US$ checks are accepted. The minimum amount for a check drawn on a non-Irish bank is 12.70 Euro. I bundle my requests so that I meet the minimum fee. Births, Death and Roman Catholic marriages certificates are available from General Registrar Office 8-11 Lombard Street East Dublin 2 Ireland Before 1864 you must use other sources to find/verify information, see http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlwat/instruct.htm Marriage certificates include the date and place of marriage; groom's name, age, marital status, occupation or title, and residence; bride's name, marital status, age, occupation or title, and residence. The names of the fathers of both parties and their occupations or titles are given which makes them particularly relevant to genealogy. The church and the names of two witnesses are also listed. Witnesses to the marriage are commonly family members and may add clues to family linkages. Full age indicates that the person was at least 21 years old. A photocopy of an entry will contain the same details as a certificate but is not suitable for administrative matters. However, it is ideal for genealogical purposes. Photocopy (including search fee) is Irpunts 3.0 and Certificate (including search fee) is Irpunts 5.50. http://eurotrip.com/exchangerates.html or http://quote.yahoo.com/m3?u or http://www3.travelocity.com/converter/ to get the currency exchange rate for the day as it is changing weekly. Certificates (B, M, D) IR5.50 US$6.00 Photocopy of an entry in Register 3.00 3.30 When index reference is Supplied 1.50 1.65 Short Birth Certificate 3.50 3.85 Authentication of a certificate 1.50 1.55 Postage: United Kingdom & Ireland IRL .50 (E).63 All other countries: 1.00 1.27 Ellen Copyright Ó 2000 Ellen Naliboff All rights reserved Bill Maytum wrote: > > Are there records available covering 1860-75 where I might be able to > find families living in close proximity to each other? > I am seeking the birthplace in Cork of my grandmother Mary Agnes > SHEEHAN (b. 1872-4) daughter of James SHEEHAN and Ellen CONNOLLY. > Ellen had a brother John Patrick CONNOLLY, Sr. who was married to Mary > TAGAN. The Connolly/Tagan family, living somewhere in Cork, included > at least two children, John Patrick,Jr. (b. 27 May 1862) and Margaret > (b. 1868-9). > I am looking for some record for the 1860-1875 period which might show > families named Sheehan (James) and Connolly (John Patrick, Sr.) living > in close proximity and thus give me a clue to the location in Cork > where my grandmother was born. > I welcome any help or suggestions. > Bill Maytum of New England > E-mail: wjmcem@gte.net > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS

Are there records available covering 1860-75 where I might be able to find families living in close proximity to each other? I am seeking the birthplace in Cork of my grandmother Mary Agnes SHEEHAN (b. 1872-4) daughter of James SHEEHAN and Ellen CONNOLLY. Ellen had a brother John Patrick CONNOLLY, Sr. who was married to Mary TAGAN. The Connolly/Tagan family, living somewhere in Cork, included at least two children, John Patrick,Jr. (b. 27 May 1862) and Margaret (b. 1868-9). I am looking for some record for the 1860-1875 period which might show families named Sheehan (James) and Connolly (John Patrick, Sr.) living in close proximity and thus give me a clue to the location in Cork where my grandmother was born. I welcome any help or suggestions. Bill Maytum of New England E-mail: wjmcem@gte.net