Irish Marriages BEING AN INDEX TO THE MARRIAGES IN WALKER'S HIBERNIAN MAGAZINE 1771 to 1812 By Henry Farrar; London, England; 1890 (This is not a complete transcription - yet) http://home.att.net/~labaths/irish_marriages.htm (Surnames A-M) http://home.att.net/~labaths/irish_marriages2.htm (Surnames N-Z) I have added the following marriages for the following surnames this week: Atkinson Abbot / Abbott / Abbotts Abercrombie Abercorn Abraham Aberdein Buckly Brady Bower Bowen Cane Cardwell Canning Cartland Casey Chalderton Dyer Dempsey Deane Fitton Gill Green / Greene Hams Huleat Kyle Lyden Lunnan McCready McCarty McMahon Moylan Minnet Pratt Piers Sinnett Spread Trayner Tuthill / Tuthell Vanderzee Until next week... Cathy Joynt Labath A Little Bit of Ireland http://home.att.net/~labaths/ Researching in Ireland: J*oynt / J*oint Anytime, Anywhere (gg grandfather, David, RC, emigrated from Beagh parish, Galway c. 1867 to Dyersville, Dubuque Co, IA and died shortly thereafter. No one even remembers/knows where he was buried...) Joynt Family Chronicles (One Name Study) http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmlabath/joynt.htm McNallys of Newport, Co. Mayo (RC) Ireland>WI>Palo Alto, IA Brennans of St. John's Parish, Roscommon (RC) Ireland>Stratford, Ontario, Canada>Palo Alto, IA

All of a sudden I have not gotten any e-mail from the many mailing lists @rootsweb.com - not since 4 p.m. Friday Feb. 23. 2001. Is there a problem? abford1@erols.com

That book, Tombstones of the Irish Born, is only a transcription of those in Holy Cross Cemetery in Brooklyn NY who have places of origin in Ireland listed on their tombstone. It is most certainly not a listing of all those in the cemetery born in Ireland! Then of course you must realize that there are many in the cemetery that have no tombstones period (as about 1/2 of mine don't). As often said on here by myself and others, books and other transcriptions are fine, but you need to be aware of their limitations, and the fact that in this case, it is -not- a complete transcription of the cemetery. The actual records are still what you need to search. Just because someone isn't listed in a book doesn't mean they aren't in the cemetery or on the ship or whatever. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

Hi List, I thought I would try my names again since it has been quite awhile. I still searching for information on Bryan McGrath, born 12/03/1815 in Co. Mayo. His parents were Michael and Bridgett McGrath. Bryan's wife was Mary ?? from Co. Galway, born on 12/18/1829. At some point (before 1850) they arrived in Portsmouth, Virginia. They may have stayed with a brother, Laurence McGrath and sister, Bridgett Boyle. Bryan and Mary had at least 9 children all born in Portsmouth, Virginia. They were Catholics. I haven't been able to find out anything about their lives in Ireland or when they immigrated. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Vicki

Good Morning again to Maura and friends of Shamrock Mailing List, After being busy with other things, I am posting some notes about our Cork families. Seeking links to RICHARD MULHOLLAND who married LETITIA SHEPHERD. We don't know, butr believe they could have come from the north of Ireland. They lived at Dripsey, Innishcarra, operating an Inn during the time their four children were born. LETITIA ROSE MULHOLLAND was christened 11.2.1846 MARIA LOUISA MULHOLLAND christened 3.4.1847 RICHARD MULHOLLAND christened 3.3.1849 REBECCA MULHOLLAND christened 23.10.1850. Letitia Rose and Maria Louise both came to Australia and are both linked to BOYDEN & MALTMAN families If you have any links to these names you could read my story on Web page under IRISH - SCOTS in my signature. However, we have no links at all to the other two siblings. RICHARD MULHOLLAND or REBECCA MULHOLLAND. I would be happy to share my 15 years of research with any person linked to these names. Sincerely in Searching... Thelma(nee Bostock) and Matthew Birrell of Australia. BOSTOCK- www.ozemail.com.au/~mrbirrell/ BIRRELL- www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/birrell.html MONTGOMERY- www.escalix.com/freepage/mrbirrell/ STOKES-WILSON - www.freehomepages.com/mrbirrell IRISH-SCOTS links - http://matthewbirrell.50megs.com/index.html

A previous message on this list indicated that there were no published listing of burials in this cemetery. There is, although it is not a complete listing of all the over 500,000 people said to have been buried there. Instead, lucky us, it is a listing of all the Irish-born people! "Tombstones of the Irish Born Cemetery of the Holy Cross Flatbush, Brooklyn" by Joseph Silinonte It's a great little book, with alpha listings and photographs of some interesting stones. Patricia

Hi, am resending this as it came out so cut up it was unreadable! Sorry, hope this is better. Original Message: First of all, can any of you "confirm" the names above are variants, or maybe even add to this list?  Maybe this will also help others in their search for similar names. Sharon, This is to further confuse you. Remember, lots of people could neither read nor write and therefore someone who could would write the name the way he heard it pronounced. Take a rich Irish brogue and add that fact to someone who did not and you have lots of possibilities. Try rolling that name off and it could even have been spelled with a C or a K. The reason I say that is in checking the 1850 Illinois Census I was looking for my gg-grandfather FLYNN. I was having no luck and I knew that they had moved in with or next door to his wife's brother in law BARKER so I proceeded to search for Barker. I found my FLYNN(s)......all of them, father, mother, 5 children. All were the right first names, ages, etc. In other words everything matched except for one small little detail. They were listed in the census as QUINN! Oh, and by the way, they show up in the 1880 Missouri Census as FLINN! Everyone have a great day, Gretchen FLYNN

Would love to find out where in Ireland my grandparents were from, Thomas Conroy b. cc 1868 & Mary Flaherty , born to Michael Flaherty & Nora Ford cc1870 . We have very little information on them before they came to Brooklyn, NY. We do know that Mary had a brother Andrew and a possible brother for Thomas, Michael Joseph Conroy. Anyone that might have any information please e mail us. Ed Conroy

I wish to thank all of the listers for their help. I have written to the Reverend in Caledon for information and he has given me info on my Grandfather Andrew Clarke. He says he has nothing on my Grandmother who was a Potter, who married Andrew. I have pictures of headstones of some of my Grans nephews( Potters ) that I took when I was there in 1999 in the church cemetery there. These families are jioned in marriages. The Reverend told me to try the girls church for the marriage certificate. When I was there the Reverend was on vacation so I never got to see him. Thanks to you all for your help.

In a message dated 2/22/01 9:02:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cathy at cathyok@wans.net writes: << were born in Curlagh, Aghaloo, Caledon. Am I right in thinking that the church would be in Curlagh, Is this a village? >> Cathy, Curlagh townland, in Aghaloo civil parish, with Caledon as the nearest post office - is located a bit less than 3 miles NW of Caledon, Co. Tyrone. On the NI Discoverer map # 19, it is located at 720 477, lying along the northern side of the A 28 road going from Aughnacloy to Armagh. Caledon is very close to the Monaghan border, and Curlagh even closer - less than a mile from Burns Bridge across the Blackwater and into Monaghan. Three more miles and you're in Emyvale, Co. Monaghan. I don't see a church in Curlagh marked on the map (but they do have a pay phone !). I'd guess that Caledon would be the nearest church. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Sharon, Regarding the Grogan portion of your possibilities: Grogan Irish: 1. Anglicized form of Gael. Ó Grúgáin 'descendant of Grúgán', a personal name from a dim. of grúg anger, fierceness. 2. Anglicized form of Gael. Ó Grúagáin 'descendant of Gruagán', a personal name from a dim. of gruag hair. the patr. form Mac Gruagáin (Anglicized McGrogan) is much rarer. Vars.: O'Grogaine, O'Growgane, Groggan, Groogan. Source: "A Dictionary of Surnames" written by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges and published by Oxford University Press. GRUAGAN (gruag = "the hair"), meaning "the hairy man", anglicized GROGAN and GREGAN. He was son of Connor, who was the 156 monarch of Ireland; a quo O'CONNOR, of Moy Ith, Co. Donegal. A branch off the O'CAHAN of Londonderry pedigree. GROGAN, O' Growgane, O' Grogaine, Groogan, Grogan, Groggan - descendant of Gru(a)gán (diminitive of gruag, hair of the head or of grúg, fierceness, anger). A Roscommon name now found all over Ireland. Source: Woulfe, Rev. Patrick."Irish Names and Surnames, 1923". (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogy Publications, 1993) (1923), repr. 1993 Sharon, unfortunately I do not have access to either of these books. Margaret Grogan Turner http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/

Quoting..... "Rodney J. Erps" <rod1960@yahoo.com> >My Great great great grandfather came from Ireland around the mid >1800's. His name was Arthur Dempsay. Not sure of what part of Ireland >he came from but do know that he was studying to be a priest. He quit >that and came over to the USA and became a medical Doctor. My question >is, Does anyone know if Dempsay with an a is a popular name in Ireland >or do they spell it with an e over there? I haven't been doing alot of >research until recently but am trying to figure out the proper spelling. >Thanks. Rodney J. Erps O'Diomasaighe was anglicized as Dempsey, and O'Dempsey. The "proper" spelling is the Irish way, but you can choose whatever English spelling you like. Everyone else did in the old days. In today's Republic phone directories there are about 1080 DEMPSEYs and no DEMPSAYs, so they have decided on how they wanted to spell their name over there. In Irish Pedigrees, by O'Hart, there are two DEMPSEY pedigrees; The Chiefs of Clanmaliere, and the Lords of Clanmaliere. That territory lay principally on both sides of the river Barrow, in King's and Queen's counties. The pedigrees start around the 10th century and go up to a James Dempsey of Liverpool, died 1847. Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net TRAYNOR'S Web Page (Irish stuff) http://members.nbci.com/pattraynor/

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, cathy ok wrote: > I'm looking for a church in Northern Ireland. My Grandmother b.1877 > and Grandaunt b.1871 were born in Curlagh, Aghaloo, Caledon. Am I > right in thinking that the church would be in Curlagh, Is this a > village? Does anyone know the name and address of this church? My > G-grandmother and G-grandfather were married in 1858 and I'm trying to > find a marriage certificate. Their names: John Potter and Mary Anne > Potter( formerly Murphy. Thanks in advance. Cathy in U.S. > Cathy - you should be able to find CURLAGH listed as a townland in The IreAtlas Index - it's listed as part of the civil parish of Aghaloo, Co. Tyrone - I believe that the nearest large Town would be Caledon - according to Griffith's there was no church in Curlagh at that time - there were 8 churches, of 5 different religions or denominations, noted as being in that civil parish at that time - regards, SeanRuad~ *{:-) near Boston Project Director for _The IreAtlas Project_ Phase II, Part 1 (Towns & Townlands) is now complete - you are invited to visit our web site at http://www.seanruad.com || COMMENTS WELCOME of the BRODERICKs of Ballymalis, Beaufort, Co. Kerry, near the castle, and the WHELTONs of Desert, Clonakilty, Co. Cork, near the quarry - e-mail: seanruad@world.std.com tel: 7 days ( EST 7am-4pm only ) (781) 646-3236 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ snail mail: 1424 Massachusetts Avenue Arlington, MA 02476-4134 USA

hi list in need of some help looking for more info on these 2 men, anything anyone can help be with would be great. thanks in advance j whiteside. Male Convicts in the Gaol of the County of Antrim. Name tried by: Thomas Whiteside Age: (none given) When convicted: 26 June 1850 Term of Transportation: Seven years Crime: Larceny By Whom Tried: Asst Barrister At What Sessions or Assizes: Belfast Qrt (I believe this would be quarter) Sessions Removed To: blank Date of Removal: blank Remarks: ordered to be discharged 8/12/54 ........... 2. Male Convicts in the Gaol of the County of Antrim Name tried by: William Whiteside Age: 28 When convicted: 26 June 1852 Term of Transportation: Seven years Crime: Larceny By Whom Tried: John Gibson, AB At What Sessions or Assizes: Ballymona Summer Sessions Removed To: blank Date of Removal: blank Remarks: ordered to be discharged 1/11/56 ...........

In a message dated 2/21/01 8:30:20 PM, cathyok@wans.net writes: << I'm looking for a church in Northern Ireland. My Grandmother b.1877 and Grandaunt b.1871 were born in Curlagh, Aghaloo, Caledon. Am I right in thinking that the church would be in Curlagh, Is this a village? Does anyone know the name and address of this church? My G-grandmother and G-grandfather were married in 1858 and I'm trying to find a marriage certificate. Their names: John Potter and Mary Anne Potter( formerly Murphy. Thanks in advance. Cathy in U.S. >> Using the placefinder at www.seanruad.com, I found a townland of Corlaghaloo in the civil parish of Annagh in County Cavan and a townland of Corlaghaloon in civil parish of Clones in Co Fermanagh. Sounds like it might be the first one, however County Cavan not in Northern Ireland. but it is in Ulster. But you didn't mention what religion the church was?????? Janet C-S

I'm looking for a church in Northern Ireland. My Grandmother b.1877 and Grandaunt b.1871 were born in Curlagh, Aghaloo, Caledon. Am I right in thinking that the church would be in Curlagh, Is this a village? Does anyone know the name and address of this church? My G-grandmother and G-grandfather were married in 1858 and I'm trying to find a marriage certificate. Their names: John Potter and Mary Anne Potter( formerly Murphy. Thanks in advance. Cathy in U.S.

Linking the Irish of Palo Alto Co, IA one record at a time. Obits, census records, military records, newspaper clippings and more! This is where all the Irish are related in one big Family Tree file! http://www.rootsweb.com/~iapaloal/paloalto.htm Added three more files for the 1895 Palo Alto Co, IA State Census today!! Thomas Shea is not a direct relation of mine. Emmetsburg Democrat Emmetsburg, Palo Alto, Iowa Wednesday, 19 Dec 1923 THOMAS SHEA DEAD BURIED SATURDAY Located in Nevada Township 57 Years Ago, Reached Ripe Age of 82 Thomas Shea, one of the old residents of our county, died at his home at Ayrshire at 12:30 Thursday morning. He was more or less of an invalid for a number of years. His last serious illness was of perhaps three weeks duration. The funeral was held Saturday. Services were conducted at teh Catholic church at Ayrshire, Rev. E.J. Smith, the pastor, officiating. He spoke feelingly and instructively of the life of the deceased and the obligation of his relatives and friends in remembering him in their prayers and offerings. The remains were brought to this city and interred in St. John's cemetery. The pall bearers were John Anglum, Thomas Fagan, Michael Daily, Thos. DeBolt, Peter Mulroney and Thos. Dawson. There was a large attendance of relatives and friends. Thomas Shea was born near Waterford, in the county of Kilkenny, Ireland, in 1841. When he was ten years old his parents emigrated to the United States and located near Pittsburg, Pa. In 1866 they came to Palo Alto county. Mr. Shea was married in June 1879, to Miss Bridget Martin, Mr. and Mrs. Shea settled on a farm in Nevada township where they resided until 1892 when they moved to Ayrshire. The death of Mr. Shea is mourned by his wife and their nephew, J.J. Martin, who made his home with them from the age of two until he reached the years of manhood. Mr. Shea was a genial, friendly, warm hearted gentleman. He was devoted to his family and friends and he was exceptionally hospitable and generous. He led a worthy life and he passed away consoled by the conviction that eternal rewards crown the efforts of those who guard carefully every spiritual and temporal treasure entrusted to them. His death, aside from the sorrow it has brought to his loved ones, is sincerely regretted by Emmetsburg pioneers who entertained a very high regard for him. Widespread sympathy is offered to the surviving relatives. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Descendants of Bridget Unknown (Mother of Thomas Shea) 1 Bridget Unknown b: Bet. 1797 - 1798 in Ireland src: 1880 Palo Alto Co, IA Census ........ 2 William Shea b: 05/12/1839 in Kilkenny, Ireland src1: Obit, src2: 1900 Census Palo Alto County, Iowa d: 1911 Burial: St John's Cemetery, Emmetsburg, Iowa ............ +Mary Martin b: 07/28/1844 in Dublin, Ireland src: Obit m: 06/07/1874 in Palo Alto Co, Iowa d: 03/07/1921 in Emmetsburg, Palo Alto, Iowa Burial: St John's Cemetery, Emmetsburg, Iowa ................... 3 Rose J Shea b: 03/1875 src: 1900 Census Palo Alto County, Iowa ....................... +Cornelius C Egan b: Bet. 1866 - 1867 in Minnesota m: 01/29/1901 d: 1941 Burial: St John's Cemetery, Emmetsburg, Iowa ................... 3 Joseph Shea ................... 3 Thomas Shea b: 06/1878 src: 1900 Census Palo Alto County, Iowa ................... 3 William Shea b: Bet. 1876 - 1877 ................... 3 Leo Shea b: 1886 d: 1964 ................... 3 James Shea b: 1880 ........ 2 John Shea ........ 2 Thomas Shea b: 1841 in near Waterford, Kilkenny, Ireland src: Obit d: 12/13/1923 in Ayrshire, Palo Alto, Iowa src: Obit Burial: St John's Cemetery, Emmetsburg, Iowa Source: Obit ............ +Bridget Martin b: Bet. 1867 - 1868 in Wisconsin src: 1880 Palo Alto Co, IA Census m: 06/30/1879 in Palo Alto Co, Iowa src: Palo Alto County Marriage Records-Book 1 Cathy Joynt Labath A Little Bit of Ireland http://home.att.net/~labaths/

The first series went well. Now with the same rules I will do G through L. This is for Ireland and the United States. Please remember to give all names know, dates, locations. You are only helping me to help you. Arlene

Well, again my sincere thanks to all of you lovely folks out there with your variant name offerings. I thought I would put them all together in the event it helps someone else to be JUST AS CONFUSED AS ME!! Is it any wonder I haven't found my poor dear Catherine Annie Gargan? Anyway, maybe this will eventually be the key, and I thought it was pretty interesting - hope you did too! And so, here is the final tally! The Growing List of Possible Gagan / Gargon Variants: arrigan, Gaughan and Gaughacan, Gavican, Cavagan, Gavican Gavikin, Gaviken, Gavikan and Gavaghan, Goggin, Gargen, Gargin, Gugin and Gugins Groghan or Grogan (possibly Gorman?) Gagin, Gorgan, Grogan, Gagen, Garahan, Garhan, Gaggin Garrigan, McGarrigan, McGahan, Hanafin, Hanifin, Hannafy, Hannifan Magauran, McGeoghegan/Geoghegan, MacArachian, MacGeargain, Goggin, Gargen, Gargin and Gargan and Gargon of course (confirmed as I have both on 2 different certificates for same.) And even a town/area in Co Armagh called Ballygargin? Regarding Gargan: Found mainly in County Cavan, Louth and Meath. MacGeargain (Gearg the old Irish word for Grouse, figuratively used for a warrier) is an old Breffney name. Regarding the Grogan possibilities: Grogan Irish: 1. Anglicized form of Gael. Ó Grúgáin 'descendant of Grúgán', a personal name from a dim. of grúg anger, fierceness. 2. Anglicized form of Gael. Ó Grúagáin 'descendant of Gruagán', a personal name from a dim. of gruag hair. the patr. form Mac Gruagáin (Anglicized McGrogan) is much rarer. Vars.: O'Grogaine, O'Growgane, Groggan, Groogan. Source: "A Dictionary of Surnames" written by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges and published by Oxford University Press. GRUAGAN (gruag = "the hair"), meaning "the hairy man", anglicized GROGAN and GREGAN. He was son of Connor, who was the 156 monarch of Ireland; a quo O'CONNOR, of Moy Ith, Co. Donegal. A branch off the O'CAHAN of Londonderry pedigree. GROGAN, O' Growgane, O' Grogaine, Groogan, Grogan, Groggan - descendant of Gru(a)gán (diminitive of gruag, hair of the head or of grúg, fierceness, anger). A Roscommon name now found all over Ireland. Thanks so much everyone! Sharon

Original Message: First of all, can any of you "confirm" the names above are variants, or maybe even add to this list?  Maybe this will also help others in their search for similar names. Sharon, This is to further confuse you. Remember, lots of people could neither read nor write and therefore someone who could would write the name the way he heard it pronounced. Take a rich Irish brogue and add that fact to someone who did not and you have lots of possibilities. Try rolling that name off and it could even have been spelled with a C or a K. The reason I say that is in checking the 1850 Illinois Census I was looking for my gg-grandfather FLYNN. I was having no luck and I knew that they had moved in with or next door to his wife's brother in law BARKER so I proceeded to search for Barker. I found my FLYNN(s)......all of them, father, mother, 5 children. All were the right first names, ages, etc. In other words everything matched except for one small little detail. They were listed in the census as QUINN! Oh, and by the way, they show up in the 1880 Missouri Census as FLINN! Everyone have a great day, Gretchen FLYNN