We hear a lot about immigration to the U.S., but what about the Irish who traveled and settled in Argentina? My great-grandfather, Joseph Francis Gorman (became O'Gorman in Canada) and his sister Margaret left Ireland for Argentina around 1868 and settled in Alejandra, Santa Fe Province. His name is on the town square in the village as one of the founders. He married one Julia Beckley, whose family came from Port Elizabeth, South Africa. In 1907, the family, including seven grown children, immigrated to Canada via Nova Scotia to homestead in Alberta Province. On his marriage certificate to Julia, it states that he was born in Youghal, Cork, Ireland. After much searching, I have located her marriage in 1867 in Youghal (believe she was widowed a short time later) but cannot locate any baptismal records in Cork County. Have had Mallow Heritage Centre and BoraBoru Heritage Centre search -- and can't come up with anything further. Have had correspondence with the parish priest at St. Mary's in Youghal -- he searched the records and he can't find it either. Is there any more information to be had? Believe the people who settled the village came on the ship "Santa Caterina" as that was the original name of the village before Alejandra. Any ideas? Passenger lists? or what. Margaret's marriage to Mr. Davis in Youghal showed her father's name as George and that he was a carpenter. When that is listed does that mean that George was still alive on her wedding day? - or - could he have been deceased? Any help appreciated. Shirley in Oregon shurrell@gte.net

Has anyone on the list read "Erin's Daughters--Irish Immigrant Women in the Nineteenth Century" ? amazon.com has two reviews of it that differ in opinion. I'm wondering what Shamrockers thought of it. Janet C-S

I recently viewed filmed Tithe Applotment records for Parish Tipperary and could use some help identifying several locations. Found nothing in IreAtlas for 1) & 2). Any ideas on 3) & 4)? 1) Tubber Brien - 237 Acres 2) G-?-rthakerin - 22 + Acres, 1 occupier. 3) "Tipperary - Farmers Lot" - there are 14 individuals listed. 4) "Tipperary - Roe & Penson" [might be Person] - 105 Acres, 27 individuals listed. One of the Commissioners was named Roe if that has any significance for 4). Liz Davenport

Hi, I was wondering if anybody had any more information on the fellow John Shudell mentioned in article below? - he may have been connected with Wexford?? or some of his issue were? I am researching the elusive Shudall/Shudell ancestors that were known to be linked to Redmonds in the Wexford rgion in about the 1830's - 1850's thanks Robert Ferny Creek Victoria Australia at this site: http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/ossory/ossory7.htm The Taylors� Gild had had their hall for centuries in Back Lane, at one time known as Rochelle Lane, doubtless so named by the Huguenot refugees, but the present building was erected by John Shudell, Master of the Corporation, in 1710. Prior to the opening of the Music Hall in Fishamble Street, in October 1741, it was one of the largest public rooms in Dublin; and was used, as we have seen, by many other gilds for holding their meetings. It was also largely patronised for halls, musical assemblies, auctions, and' lotteries, and was even used as a dancing-saloon.

Is any one researching McDermotts for Westmeath/Kildare Regards Theresa

I am hoping that someone on the list has access to a book that I remember seeing once. It is a listing of Irish immigrants on a particular shipping line that arrived in New York. I remember seeing it at the Irish American Historical Society in NYC. I also know that there is a large volume set of Irish immigrants listings, but I have only seen one volume of that. I have just learned the range of years that my ancestors came over. It was between Nov. 1, 1962 and July 4, 1866 with the most likely year being 1864. Does anyone have access to these books or volumes and can look for John and Margaret O'Hara with their son John (b. 1860) and a possible other son, Thomas, who may have been born at sea? Thanks for any help. Mary Theresa McCombe

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This is a reminder that the rules of this list specifically prohibit the sending of jokes, poems and other off topic posts. I just sent a reminder about this about a week ago. It is also against the rules of this list (and is generally considered bad form) to forward messages from anyone other than yourself. Persons who do these things are in danger of being unsubscribed without notice from this list. See your Welcome message or http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS for the list guidelines. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

Seeking links to the following :- RAFFERTY - Elizabeth and Margaret - Dublin 1795 -Cork 1797. FLETCHER - Jane - William and Margaret. Mountshannon 1840-1860 . at Cork Workhouse 1854. MULHOLLAND - SHEPHERD - Richard,Letitia,Maria, Letitia - Dripsey - Innishcarra. Co.Cork. Innkeepers 1840-1860. GUINNESS - Dublin - Whisky - to Sarah JAGO from Devon/Scotland. DELAHUNTY - Variations - from Kilkenny to Aust c.1850. ?? Walsh - Pierce - INGRAM / PARKER in Antrim, Northern Ireland. Sincerely Thelma (Bostock) Birrell at Maroochydore Australia. BOSTOCK- www.ozemail.com.au/~mrbirrell/ IRISH-SCOTS links - http://matthewbirrell.50megs.com/index.html

Hi Can anybody help me with the following any info or connections would be greatly appreciatedMy greatgrandparents Honora nee Clarke and Francis Gillespie came over from I think Ballina, County Mayo, Ireland, because of the potato famine or after. He was a labourer. They were married on 25th July 1863 at St Mary’s Catholic Church, Bridge Street, Sunderland, England. On the 1871 census they were living West Hartlepool, Francis my greatgrandfather was 35 and a boilersmith, Honora my greatgrandmother was 30. Children of theirs then was Mary 6 born Sunderland, William 5 Sunderland, Michael 3 Sunderland, a Francis 1 died aged 2 born Monkwearmouth, Barbara 1 month born West Hartlepool and Ann mother of Francis my greatgreatgrandmother aged 60 wife’s assistant born Ireland. Next door was another Gillespie family, namely, Michael, aged, 44, Ann, 43, and Francis, 17. On the 1881 census their dwelling place was 79 Lower East Street, Middlesbrough, Francis was 47, occupation Ship Caulker (Builder), I think he lost an eye in an accident, I don’t know whether it was on the ships and he got compensation, Honora Gillespie was 40, siblings (daughters and sons) Mary A Gillespie 16 (registered birth Sunderland) occupation General Servant, William Gillespie 15 (registered birth Sunderland), Scholar (school child), Francis (grandfather) was 8 (registered birth Hartlepool), Eleanor Gillespie was 6 (registered birth Sunderland), Joseph Gillespie was 4 (registered birth Sunderland), Michael Gillespie was 2 (registered birth Middlesbrough), a Margaret and James Gillespie was 5 months (registered birth Middlesbrough) married somebody called Nellie. Ann, my greatgreatgrandmother died in 1879 at the Middlesbrough address. My great greatgrandparents on the Gillespie side were Patrick and Ann. Honora’s father was called William Clarke an agricultural labourer. Regards Dor

----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie J. Gaines" <cjay@hughes.net> To: <GENCLASS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: [GENCLASS-L] April Fools Humor > Dear List Members, > > The following may answer some of the questions regarding > some of your ancestors (certainly some of mine) who are so > difficult to trace. > > Connie Gaines > ==================================================== > WERE YOUR ANCESTORS BEAMED DOWN BY ALIENS? NEW DNA EVIDENCE. > > Scientists at The National Academy for the Study of UFO's have > recently confirmed the existence of the "UFO chromosome." While most > genealogists are aware of the x chromosome, passed from one female > generation to the next, and the y chromosome, from which it is possible > to determine descent in an uninterrupted male lineage from a common > ancestor, the "UFO chromosome" had previously been only speculation. Working > with DNA recovered from the aliens of the Roswell, New Mexico crash, the > scientists have discovered the "UFO chromosome" is also present in some > humans. This discovery confirms that aliens have been breeding with humans > for centuries, and beaming their progeny back to earth. > For the "low" price of $10,000, they will test your DNA to see if you > possess the "UFO chromosome." While the test will not tell WHICH > ancestor had the "UFO chromosome," there are several ways to identify that > ancestor. > > For those ancestors to conceal their identity: > > 1. They moved every few years, never spending long at one location. > > 2. They were the only person of that surname in the county. > > 3. The county clerk who was also an alien, assured that your > ancestor's marriage bond would "accidentally" be lost, their deeds set aside > and never recorded, and their entire probate file would turn up "missing" > even though indexes say it once existed. > > 4. The census taker would either not list them, OR he would list > them twice, with slight differences, causing quarrels among descendants > whether they are the same person or not. > > 5. The family Bible was sent "west" with the youngest unmarried > daughter, where she married a "Mr. Smith." > > 6. The family cemetery was sold to outsiders, who used the > headstones to make a sidewalk. > > 7. The church they joined did not believe in recording vital > statistics. > > 8. They started rumors of how they were related to someone famous, > causing descendants to search the wrong family. > > 9. They started rumors of how they were born in England, arrived in > Virginia with two brothers (one of whom was born in France, the other in > Sweden). To conceal their identity, one brother moved to Georgia, the other > to Maine, while they remained in Virginia. > > 10. And, when all else failed and they were about to be discovered, > the county court house would "accidentally" burn. > > If you can prove your ancestor was beamed down by aliens, Halbert's > of Bath, Ohio has recently prepared a family history of the Alien family, > complete with the Alien coat of arms, which you will be proud to display > over your fireplace. > > > > ==== GENCLASS Mailing List ==== > Diana Muir - admin@portaschool.com - List owner, Professional Genealogist > http://www.rootsweb.com/~genclass/ Free Online Genealogy Library > http://www.topica.com/lists/tipworld-genealogy/ Tip-A-Day from Topica Dot Com > SIDEKICK WebPage (to post pictures, obits, download files, etc.) > http://www.egroups.com/group/GenClass-Side-Kick Posting address: GenClassSideKick@egroups.com >

I have a social security infor for a Margaret Flaherty ,parents were Matthew Dwyer & Anne Corbett, lived at 46 01 39 av, apt 115 LI City, NY 11104.birth 10/08/1877, Lorraine

on 4/3/01 8:00 PM, SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com at SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ______________________________ > From: Patricia Samuelson <maryy17@yahoo.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2001 1:22 AM > To: SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SH] Re: O'Neils: Co. Cork > > Hi Kathy, > My heart stopped when I started to read your post. I have a John and Margaret > O'Neil who finally settled in Plattsburgh, New York. I don't know where they > left from, in Ireland. Long ago, my Aunt said something about County Cork, > but at that time I did not care. I recently asked her about it and she can't > remember (she is 80). We do know they came from County Armagh and County > Monaghan because that is inscribed on their headstones in a Plattsburgh, New > York cemetery. They are in the 1850 census but not the 1840. My Aunt told me > she thought they came to the States during the Potato Famine, so that would be > about your time frame, of 1847. The only thing, the children do not match. > Their children were Owen, John, James, Patrick, Henry and Ann. I don't have an > answer to your question. I am just thinking about trying to find when my > O'Neils arrived and where they left from. I did find a very good website with > a lot of good research help. All the information is, also, in ! > a booklet at any Family History Center. I paid one dollar for mine. > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/ireland.asp Patricia > MaryTacoma, Washington Date:Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:15:27 -0600 From:Kathy Marie > Garness <kathleen656@earthlink.net>To:SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.comSubject:[SH] > O'Neils: Co. Cork > > > Looking for an O'Neil family that left Cork in 1847 bound for the > United States; husband John, wife Margaret, sons John, Charles and Benjamin. > Also some daughters: Biddy, Mary and another I can't remember right off. Is > there a way to determine whether they were actually from Cork or just > passing through on their way abroad? Thank you,Kathy > > > Dear Patricia; Have you checked the passenger lists posted at RootsWeb? That's the only place where I could find anyone who matched my great-grandfather's, Benjamin O'Neil's, name. Now, until I do some more searching and establish one or two secure links, such as census records, this is, at best, educated guesswork. But I'm excited that the dates I have for him and the age of the Benjamin on the Euphrasia match up! So keep looking under every stone you can! And don't forget the libraries and geneaological societies of the towns your folks are buried in! There's often a wealth of information there! I was able to get a lot of information just by placing a few phone calls to the city hall where my great grandmother was born. (But it was a small town where most everyone still knew everyone else - it wouldn't work in a larger town, I'm sure.) Kathy Marie Garness

Griffith's Valuation does not list every person who lived in Ireland in the 1840's - 1860s. Rather, it lists only the Householder, or that person recognized as the principal owner, renter or lessee of a house or property. Ellen B Ryan wrote: > > A possible family name has been found on Griffiths Index --would anyone have access to the records --to find the following ---JOSEPH SUNDERLAND----Parish -Inch----Location--Knockgreany > If he is the right one --he should have the following children that I know of (maybe more) > Thomas b c 1837----James 1853 & possibly --Joseph 1846-----John 1844. > Thank you > Brenda > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** To find a location in Ireland, use > the IreAtlas Townland Database > http://www.seanruad.com and/or > Placename Search > http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/place > name.index.cfm **

A possible family name has been found on Griffiths Index --would anyone have access to the records --to find the following ---JOSEPH SUNDERLAND----Parish -Inch----Location--Knockgreany If he is the right one --he should have the following children that I know of (maybe more) Thomas b c 1837----James 1853 & possibly --Joseph 1846-----John 1844. Thank you Brenda

Dear Friends of all things Irish, Could someone please give me the web site of the Cobh Harbour Museum. Much appreciated...Thelma Birrell in Australia... IRISH-SCOTS links - http://matthewbirrell.50megs.com/index.html

Researching Boyles born in Ireland?? Please note that I am not related to these families. Cathy Joynt Labath More info on Boyles may possibly be found at: The Irish in Iowa http://www.rootsweb.com/~iarecrds/ Scott Co, IA USGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iascott/scott.htm The Times Davenport, Scott, Iowa Dec 11, 1896 BOYLE This morning at 11 o'clock at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Maria Lannan, 2319 Farnham street, occurred the death of Mrs. Ellen Boyle, of old age at the advanced age of ninety years. The deceased was a native of County Sligo, Ireland, where she was born in 1806, and came to this country thirty-five years ago, taking up her residence with her daughter with whom she lived up to the time of her death. The survivors are Mrs. Maria Lannan, at whose home she died, Mrs. M Harrington, Mrs. M Clooney, and Mrs. James Boyle of Kellogg, Ia. The deceased was an eminently respectable lady, beloved by all who knew her and a life long member of the Sacred Heart cathedral parish. The funeral will be held Sunday afternoon at 2 o'clock with services at the Sacred Heart cathedral. Interment will be at St. Marguerite's cemetery. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Daily Times Davenport, Scott, Iowa Sept 15, 1896 BOYLE At his home, 1213 west Second street, at 3 o'clock this morning occurred the death of John Henry Boyle, of dropsical complications of many years duration. The deceased was born in Ireland sixty-six years ago and came to America and to this city forty-five years ago where he has since resided. He had been employed as watchman of the old Davis mill property on west Second street since its lapse in disuse. Mrs. Boyle died Jan. 9, 1892. He is survived by seven children-Mrs. William J Volger, of Chicago, Mrs. Charles H. Tucker of Jefferson, Mo., Mrs. John M Gimbel of this city and Misses Rose and Mary and George, Frederick and Frank at home. The funeral will be held next Thursday morning at 9 o'clock with services at St. Mary's church. Interment will be made at St. Marguerite's cemetery.

Hi list hoping someone out there has access to this marriage film from the lds, WHITESIDE, Thomas Wife: Margaret VANCE Marriage Date: 12 Jan 1864 Recorded in: Civil Registration for Ireland,Husband's Father: Phineas WHITESIDE,Wife's Father: James VANCE, Source: FHL Number 101452 Dates: 1864-1864 ) what i need is the ages of these 2, thanks in advance for any help j whiteside

A lot of mis-information seems to be circulating outside of Ireland about tourist facilities in Ireland over the coming months as a result of the Foot and Mouth situation. While events in March and April, and some in June were cancelled as a precaution, events later in the season are mainly going ahead. One event which is definitely going ahead is the 4th Irish Genealogical Congress at Trinity College, Dublin, 17-23 September 2001. Below are extracts from the April 2, 2001 Update on Information on Foot and Mouth on the Official Website of the Irish Tourist Board >>> http://www.ireland.travel.ie/home/ Go there for the full story. Paul Gorry IGC Chairman "In a statement issued yesterday by the Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Development, Mr. Joe Walsh TD, announced that he had accepted the Expert Group’s recommendation regarding certain adaptations/clarifications of the controls in place against foot and mouth disease. "As a result of this Heritage sites around Ireland, where there has been no livestock since the 1st February have re-opened to the public. Certain events and festivals where there is no contact with livestock will also be permitted to go ahead, as long as adequate disinfection procedures are in place........ "Visitors will continue to receive a warm Irish welcome throughout the Republic of Ireland. However in order to ensure that the spread of Foot and Mouth disease is contained, all visitors are being asked to co-operate fully with the advice and recommendations of the Department of Agriculture and other Official bodies. "There are no people visitor restrictions into the country. Disinfectant procedures are in place at air and ferry ports. However, there is a ban on the importation of livestock, cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, greyhounds, working dogs (domestic dogs at present excluded) and horses. "Regrettably, as a precautionary measure, a small number of tourist facilities have been temporarily closed and a number of events and activities have been postponed or cancelled. However you are still guaranteed to have a great time here. There continues to be plenty of enjoyable things to see and do while in Ireland...... "The majority of visitor attractions are now accepting groups again; however, it is best to confirm this directly with the visitor attraction."

In a message dated 4/3/01 2:19:23 AM, maryy17@yahoo.com writes: << Long ago, my Aunt said something about County Cork, but at that time I did not care. I recently asked her about it and she can't remember (she is 80). We do know they came from County Armagh and County Monaghan because that is inscribed on their headstones in a Plattsburgh, New York cemetery. >> Just a comment: Many people said they were "from Cork" when what they meant was, they left from Cork. (It was a big port, and ships from Liverpool and the continent stopped there to pick up passengers.) While I can't say for certainty that there are NO O'Neills that came originally from Cork, it is definitely a name associated with the northern counties, such as Armagh. Cheers. Janet C-S